A news package I shot on the DVX was nominated for two Emmy awards, one for photography the other for editing. I just have to say that there is no way I could have got up to speed and comfortable with my DVX without reading these boards. The story was about a guy who has muscular dystrophy but also happens to be a champion bike racer. I will post a link to the story if anyone is interested. I'm just really exited about being nominated and very grateful to This web site with all of the great advice and humor. Thank you all!!! and thanks to Jan for her great work and to panasonic for such a great camera!!
2 Emmy nominations.... thank you DVX USER!!!
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Phil Brown
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Congratulations on the Emmy nominations - great stuff!
I'm sure I'm like many others who would like to look at the link if you can post it.
Keep it up - we love hearing DVX success stories.
Phil
I'm sure I'm like many others who would like to look at the link if you can post it.
Keep it up - we love hearing DVX success stories.
Phil
maverickprods
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you can nominate your own program or yourself for an emmy, as long as you are part of the production team or you are a participant.
Barry_Green
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Look up your local chapter's entry guidelines. Start at www.emmyonline.org, and follow the links to your chapter.maverickprods said:
Walter_Graff
Carbonite Member
I think he meant anyone involved in the production can enter.
maverickprods
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5. Producers may enter their programs for
nominations in all categories. Individuals may enter
themselves (and their team, if the entry is fachievement) for specific individual awards.
9. It is often the case that an agent, a manager, a
studio, a production company or a broadcast entity
will facilitate the entry by filling out the form, but the
individual who is listed as the "eligible entrant" is
considered by the Academade the entry.
These are two direct quotes from the Academy website.
YES you can enter yourself for an emmy. In fact had my producers known that there was a category for stunt coordinating, I would have been entered.
That being said, I think that is it wonderful that tco has been nominated for TWO emmy's. Kudo's to you tco. I most certainly hope that you win. The emmy does transfer into cash for the future.
A very close friend of mine has won two and she is in high demand as a choreographer.
nominations in all categories. Individuals may enter
themselves (and their team, if the entry is fachievement) for specific individual awards.
9. It is often the case that an agent, a manager, a
studio, a production company or a broadcast entity
will facilitate the entry by filling out the form, but the
individual who is listed as the "eligible entrant" is
considered by the Academade the entry.
These are two direct quotes from the Academy website.
YES you can enter yourself for an emmy. In fact had my producers known that there was a category for stunt coordinating, I would have been entered.
That being said, I think that is it wonderful that tco has been nominated for TWO emmy's. Kudo's to you tco. I most certainly hope that you win. The emmy does transfer into cash for the future.
A very close friend of mine has won two and she is in high demand as a choreographer.
Walter_Graff
Carbonite Member
<The emmy does transfer into cash for the future.
A very close friend of mine has won two and she is in high demand as a choreographer.>
I disagree with that statement. Perhaps she is just good at what she does. Funny how this is the only industry where nepotism and ego still rule. You don't pick a lawyer because he has copies of his best closing statements on his wall or a doctor because his office has pictures of his most successful operations. Only in this industry do we make ourselves more important than our clients work. Its what killed advertising in this country. Everyone was making commercials not to sell products but to win awards. And because of it advertising became art. Once it becomes art it becomes ineffective. I used to do commercials with probably the most respected commerical director in the industry. One day at lunch I asked him how come he never wins any awards. He looked at me and said very plainly that awards are bought not earned and he never earned one. Then asked me how much in demand he was. I said he could do anything he wanted. And his reply; "what did awards do for me?" Now years later after helping see such award programs as the NY Festivals Awards come to be and having judged Emmys for years, let alone having been in the awards system, I see what he means and see what the awards system is, mostly a group of people that need work so create awards to make a living off others egos. Not trying to take anything away form this person who was nominated, just saying that awards are nice but let your work speak for itself. That will be your only award and judge of your work. A few years ago one of my partners said, you know what we need, awards. We have very few awards. It might be good to enter and win a few as it may help business. I was not in agreement but went along with the idea. We entered three and won three the first year. The next year four more. It confirmed how silly the awards system is to me as they will take anyones money and give nearly everyone some recognition so they come back for more. Do yourself a favor, work towards making the best work you can. Awards are nice but in the end people hire you for your skill, not a piece of tin on your shelf. In my twenty years, no one ever hired me because of my awards and I have everything from a Grammy to an Ace although I never entered my name for either, someone else did and I never picked up the award. And the great thing about awards is once you win you can buy more statues and even change what the statues say. They don't care, they just want your money. We did it as a joke one year with the Telly Awards, asking for statues and engraving what we wanted on them then giving them away. People hire me because of my ability. I don't know a friend who differs in why they get hired. My friend Matt called me the other day. He directs the program Who Wants to Be a Millionaire. He told me he won another Emmy. I said that was great. I n reality I thought, and what does that get you? He's already directing many shows at ABC and not a single job he got had anything to do with winning an award. Anyone can win an award. at the end of the day they mean most to you and little to someone else, unless they think awards are the bomb. But if they do, odds are good they have little to do with this industry and think its just all glamorous. I'm happy you were nominated, but more happy that you did a good work and are proud of what you already accomplished.
Here is something I wrote a while back.
http://www.film-and-video.com/broadcastvideoexamples-awards.html
A very close friend of mine has won two and she is in high demand as a choreographer.>
I disagree with that statement. Perhaps she is just good at what she does. Funny how this is the only industry where nepotism and ego still rule. You don't pick a lawyer because he has copies of his best closing statements on his wall or a doctor because his office has pictures of his most successful operations. Only in this industry do we make ourselves more important than our clients work. Its what killed advertising in this country. Everyone was making commercials not to sell products but to win awards. And because of it advertising became art. Once it becomes art it becomes ineffective. I used to do commercials with probably the most respected commerical director in the industry. One day at lunch I asked him how come he never wins any awards. He looked at me and said very plainly that awards are bought not earned and he never earned one. Then asked me how much in demand he was. I said he could do anything he wanted. And his reply; "what did awards do for me?" Now years later after helping see such award programs as the NY Festivals Awards come to be and having judged Emmys for years, let alone having been in the awards system, I see what he means and see what the awards system is, mostly a group of people that need work so create awards to make a living off others egos. Not trying to take anything away form this person who was nominated, just saying that awards are nice but let your work speak for itself. That will be your only award and judge of your work. A few years ago one of my partners said, you know what we need, awards. We have very few awards. It might be good to enter and win a few as it may help business. I was not in agreement but went along with the idea. We entered three and won three the first year. The next year four more. It confirmed how silly the awards system is to me as they will take anyones money and give nearly everyone some recognition so they come back for more. Do yourself a favor, work towards making the best work you can. Awards are nice but in the end people hire you for your skill, not a piece of tin on your shelf. In my twenty years, no one ever hired me because of my awards and I have everything from a Grammy to an Ace although I never entered my name for either, someone else did and I never picked up the award. And the great thing about awards is once you win you can buy more statues and even change what the statues say. They don't care, they just want your money. We did it as a joke one year with the Telly Awards, asking for statues and engraving what we wanted on them then giving them away. People hire me because of my ability. I don't know a friend who differs in why they get hired. My friend Matt called me the other day. He directs the program Who Wants to Be a Millionaire. He told me he won another Emmy. I said that was great. I n reality I thought, and what does that get you? He's already directing many shows at ABC and not a single job he got had anything to do with winning an award. Anyone can win an award. at the end of the day they mean most to you and little to someone else, unless they think awards are the bomb. But if they do, odds are good they have little to do with this industry and think its just all glamorous. I'm happy you were nominated, but more happy that you did a good work and are proud of what you already accomplished.
Here is something I wrote a while back.
http://www.film-and-video.com/broadcastvideoexamples-awards.html
maverickprods
Active member
Walter, you can disagree all day long, but the fact is, that if she wasn't good at what she does, she wouldn't have won the emmy's. The next fact is that her rates went up because of the demand. It is another showcase of work. Having won two emmy awards and having those on the resume' will probably get you the interview before someone without them.
As far as being hired, in Hollywood, it isn't what you know, it is who you know. If you have a good working relationship with producers, directors and specifically UPM's. You will work nearly non-stop. Right now in Hollywood there is a trend toward hiring younger and younger people to be department heads, and that comes from younger and younger directors.
I had a UPM ask me why we gave stunt adjustments and how I figured them out. This is a person that is supposed to know how money is spent and why.
Hiring someone with 20-30 years experience is happening less and less.
An award doesn't do much for anyone other than a good feeling and a great doorstop.
Check this out though. There are Academy awards for nearly everything in every department EXCEPT STUNTS. The explanation is this "stunts are considered neither an art, nor a science".
When was the last time you saw a movie that didn't have a stunt in it?
As far as being hired, in Hollywood, it isn't what you know, it is who you know. If you have a good working relationship with producers, directors and specifically UPM's. You will work nearly non-stop. Right now in Hollywood there is a trend toward hiring younger and younger people to be department heads, and that comes from younger and younger directors.
I had a UPM ask me why we gave stunt adjustments and how I figured them out. This is a person that is supposed to know how money is spent and why.
Hiring someone with 20-30 years experience is happening less and less.
An award doesn't do much for anyone other than a good feeling and a great doorstop.
Check this out though. There are Academy awards for nearly everything in every department EXCEPT STUNTS. The explanation is this "stunts are considered neither an art, nor a science".
When was the last time you saw a movie that didn't have a stunt in it?
Walter_Graff
Carbonite Member
>Walter, you can disagree all day long, but the fact is, that if she wasn't good at what >she does, she wouldn't have won the emmy's.
I know many people very well qualified who don't enter for Emmys. Is there work not as good? All an Emmy means is that for those few you competed against, your work was noted. I used to vote for Emmys and may times there are a couple of people in a category and most suck and one or two good.
>The next fact is that her rates went up because of the demand. It is another showcase of work.
You said it, demand. I doubt folks wanted her because of an Emmy. If you think so then so be it but its ridiculous.
>Having won two emmy awards and having those on the resume' will probably get you the interview before someone without them.
Sorry but this is an absurd statement. Awards get you no where in an interview. If they were important, you would put "Awards, recognition" at the top of a resume, not at the bottom as an afterthought.
>As far as being hired, in Hollywood, it isn't what you know, it is who you know. If you have a good working relationship with producers, directors and specifically UPM's. You will work nearly non-stop. Right now in Hollywood there is a trend toward hiring younger and younger people to be department heads, and that comes from younger and younger directors.
And none of what you said has anything to do with awards.
>Hiring someone with 20-30 years experience is happening less and less.
Thats also ridiculous.
>An award doesn't do much for anyone other than a good feeling and a great doorstop.
Smartest thing you said!
I know many people very well qualified who don't enter for Emmys. Is there work not as good? All an Emmy means is that for those few you competed against, your work was noted. I used to vote for Emmys and may times there are a couple of people in a category and most suck and one or two good.
>The next fact is that her rates went up because of the demand. It is another showcase of work.
You said it, demand. I doubt folks wanted her because of an Emmy. If you think so then so be it but its ridiculous.
>Having won two emmy awards and having those on the resume' will probably get you the interview before someone without them.
Sorry but this is an absurd statement. Awards get you no where in an interview. If they were important, you would put "Awards, recognition" at the top of a resume, not at the bottom as an afterthought.
>As far as being hired, in Hollywood, it isn't what you know, it is who you know. If you have a good working relationship with producers, directors and specifically UPM's. You will work nearly non-stop. Right now in Hollywood there is a trend toward hiring younger and younger people to be department heads, and that comes from younger and younger directors.
And none of what you said has anything to do with awards.
>Hiring someone with 20-30 years experience is happening less and less.
Thats also ridiculous.
>An award doesn't do much for anyone other than a good feeling and a great doorstop.
Smartest thing you said!
maverickprods
Active member
Walter, you may have a lot of experience and I defer to you and your knowledge.
I guess I'm not quite as smart as you are........
I guess I'm not quite as smart as you are........
Walter_Graff
Carbonite Member
maverickprods said:
Hey I certainly don't know everything but I've been through all of this and yes, this is were the old man has wisdom. I've heard this adage about how everyone hires younger and younger and frankly thats not true. Well it is, but they've always hired younger and older too. All those old directors that are famous now? All were hired young, usually when they were just starting out. It's kind of like saying that we live allot longer now than we did 200 years ago. Not really. If you take away infant mortality rates, fact is folks 200 years ago lived as long as we do now. Look at the signers of the declaration of independence. Take away the one guy who died at 55 from an accident and the average age of the group was no different than folks live today, and even longer. A few examples of famous folks of the times; Jefferson 83, Washington 67, Sam Adams 81, John Adams 91, Franklin 84, See if you survived the first five years of life, odds were good you'd survive to 25 and if you made it past then, odds were good you'd live into your eighties. It was poor sanitation that caused many problems and made for huge infant mortality then. Actually had less to do with medicine than sanitation practices or lack of them that helped disease kill young infants.
Problem is perception and perception is often assumption and assumption is always bad. As they say assume and you make an ass out of 'u' and 'me'.
awards are great but I can tell you of 100 people well known in the industry who have a shelf of awards and not a single one will tell you an award ever got them work, but rather that the work they got the award for did.
maverickprods
Active member
"I've heard this adage about how everyone hires younger and younger and frankly thats not true. Well it is, but they've always hired younger and older too."
Walter, I have been working in Hollywood for over 20 years. I know several boatloads of people that couldn't buy a job with a pack of hundreds in their pocket, and most of them are over 40, and all of them are talented and knowledgeable, and several of them have emmy's. They just aren't working and it is happening all over our industry.
You're right that the work should get you the job, not the award. Case in point, Ben Affleck got an Oscar, and he couldn't act his way out of a wet paper sack. Granted he got it for writing, but it certainly opened up a lot of doors, and what has he written since "Good Will Hunting"?
He is extremely wealthy. Do you think that he would be wealthy without the Academy award?
I think not....
Walter, I have been working in Hollywood for over 20 years. I know several boatloads of people that couldn't buy a job with a pack of hundreds in their pocket, and most of them are over 40, and all of them are talented and knowledgeable, and several of them have emmy's. They just aren't working and it is happening all over our industry.
You're right that the work should get you the job, not the award. Case in point, Ben Affleck got an Oscar, and he couldn't act his way out of a wet paper sack. Granted he got it for writing, but it certainly opened up a lot of doors, and what has he written since "Good Will Hunting"?
He is extremely wealthy. Do you think that he would be wealthy without the Academy award?
I think not....
Walter_Graff
Carbonite Member
maverickprods said:
I don't disagree with your first statement. My point is that it's always been that way. As you get older if you don't have yourself entrenched and in the loop yo don't work. We keep hearing they are hiring younger, but thats always been. THe system is about getting in young and making your way up the ladder. Kind of like when folks say education is not like it used to be. For the last hundred years we've been saying that.
As for the Oscars, its probably the only award that can get you somewhere, mostly because the brand is so strong that folks believe it makes for talent. But that is the purpose of an awards organization, to get as much recognition and clout as possible guaranteeing the folks that own it a lucrative job. I watched that first hand with the creation of the NY festivals. But every year look how many talented people are snubbed at the Oscars. Once again its about nepotism, not talent. Although my friend was nominated in documentary last year and she's not any better off this year. Probably has more to do with her though.
maverickprods
Active member
Yup, I know all about that "entrenching" stuff. I had several different UPM's I worked for, directors too. It seemed like they all retired at the same time. Couple the retirements with Canada and runaway production and you have unemployment and wolves at the door that don't go away.
And believe me, I don't for a moment think that if I got an emmy award for my work that it would get me any further up the ladder. The statuette and 2 bucks will get me a cup of coffee.
I was just relating a story of what happened to a friend of mine when she won two seperate emmys. Her asking price went up and she received numerous job offers.
All of this dialogue because I wished tco well and hoped it translated into cash. I should have put the effort into making phone calls and looking for my next job. (heh, heh)
And believe me, I don't for a moment think that if I got an emmy award for my work that it would get me any further up the ladder. The statuette and 2 bucks will get me a cup of coffee.
I was just relating a story of what happened to a friend of mine when she won two seperate emmys. Her asking price went up and she received numerous job offers.
All of this dialogue because I wished tco well and hoped it translated into cash. I should have put the effort into making phone calls and looking for my next job. (heh, heh)
Walter you are a wise man. You remind me of a couple of the "old school" guys in the San Diego market. Truth be told, I feel kind of like an ass for posting that I got nominated. People who know me see me as a humble guy who is quick to complement others. I am happy about these nominations for two main reasons: 1) The story of Ryan Levinson has brought ALOT of attention to adult onset Muscular dystrophy AND it showed that hard work, persaverance and a good heart still count for something.
2) It is so amazing to me still, that a $3,500 camera can shoot such beautiful pictures, people from other stations including producers asked how I got that "look". It was the dvx of course.
Sure, I would like an Emmy, but more than anything I like the work I do. I don't shoot tv news for the money, I do it because I love people and like telling thier stories. I am proud of alot of my work but this is the first year I have sent an entry in, I have been shooting full time going on only three years, I was an editor for a year and a half prior to that. This is a tough business and we see people at thier absolute worst and at thier best as well. All these awards really mean is that our peers thought we got our stories right, whether from a technical or artistic standpoint. I hope to have my link up by tuesday, I really want to hear your opinion on the story if you have time. Thanks for your words of wisdom.
2) It is so amazing to me still, that a $3,500 camera can shoot such beautiful pictures, people from other stations including producers asked how I got that "look". It was the dvx of course.
Sure, I would like an Emmy, but more than anything I like the work I do. I don't shoot tv news for the money, I do it because I love people and like telling thier stories. I am proud of alot of my work but this is the first year I have sent an entry in, I have been shooting full time going on only three years, I was an editor for a year and a half prior to that. This is a tough business and we see people at thier absolute worst and at thier best as well. All these awards really mean is that our peers thought we got our stories right, whether from a technical or artistic standpoint. I hope to have my link up by tuesday, I really want to hear your opinion on the story if you have time. Thanks for your words of wisdom.
Walter_Graff
Carbonite Member
maverickprods said:
And that was the point of my story about the person who was nominated for the Oscar. The fact that she was nominated for the oscar didn't get her any work. It should have been her marketing herself based on the nomination. Se awards are nice but they really don't do much unless you capitalize. I would say that Matt Damien was able to get places because of a good agent who worked the floor using the Oscar node and his contacts. Just like Ben Stiller, one of the unfunniest people I have ever seen, but has a great rep who knows how to get him the roles. Life is always first about who you know not necessarily what you know. SOmeone I know well is a perfect example. He was never really talented but lucked into some executive producer roles in television. ANd best of all this guy could sell you any concept. Yet he went on to EP about four national Tv shows only to have each one fail. Eventually they figured him out and now he only has a development deal with one of the big distributers. THats what happens to the untalented, you'll always hear the phrase "they struck a development deal". That means they suck but the company is afraid to get rid of them because they think there is some sort of possibility that they may strike gold or some allegiance in the ranks. Imagine if all businesses were like that. We'd all be broke. And if its not about that, its making decisions against what everyone tells you is right because you are talented and the industry which is made up of insecure, untalented people is afraid of you cause you are a rebel and smarter than them. Look what happened to Eastwood with Million Dollar Baby. The movie company he was with for years laughed at him and didn't want to release it because they said boxing films never make money. Boy were they wrong. So Clint has now shown them they are idiots and their loss is that he has broken all ties with them.