Emanuel
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Well, granted we have higher res sensor (5DIII) and aliasing/moiré under control in both models, I guess 5DIII might even be sharper, shouldn't it be?
Not to anyone else, unless there are other interests to not post about ;-)
1D C Pricing
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Emanuel
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Jay, I think you guess I like your posts either on dvxuser or reduser : ) And it is true the first part of your post. But as I already could say to you before, let's not to confound camera companies. Canon had part of their 1D/C's R&D previously paid spread along their DSLR line.
Emanuel
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Jay and me, we're both supporting the product, yes. Both see the product as unique indeed. Funny the fact both of us even use the same adjective to call it, earlier and today. Even though, as you see, we don't share necessarily the same POV on the facts.
1D/C is unfairly overpriced. It is a steal, no doubts. But not exactly in the same use the word is meant to be written through the forums. I guess Jay has no connection with Canon unless as customer, well, not only guess but am convinced of that. He just comes from reduser where everything is priced differently. In any case, as posted, we should remind ourselves Jannard/Jarred are building a company from scratch. Canon is only taking advantage from RED price list.
Have you seen Jpeg vs Jpeg 2000 tests? I'll give you a hint, one of them wins by a mile...
Edit: Also, the Canon is saving an RGB file, so that's 4k x 3 compared with RAW which only has to save one value per pixel.
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Emanuel
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Indeed. But according to the reports, it is 100% free of visible artifacts on big screen, sharp enough on 4K side, so anything enough to be considered as... enough to be considered to ;-)
Simon Shasha
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I can't help but conclude that the 1DC is the 1DX with a different/added set of low-level drivers - even at $10,000 it seems over-priced. I think $8000 sounds reasonable.
indiawilds
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The kind of project that I am planning, the 1D C would be suitable. 15K USD is a lot for me. If it is brought down to 10-11K USD, then I am definitely in. Some say that the price may come down to 12k levels but not 10. What bothers me more is that this camera will chew up cards like an elephant gobbling up bananas. So 4K acquisition is not for everybody, even if you just want to future proof your work. A Lexar 128GB professional 1000x UDMA card is 799.95 USD and is out of stock in B&H. So the overall cost of memory cards for a wildlife guy like me has to also go into the buying decision.
I guess Canon knowingly priced it at 15k USD, else a few guys would have bought it out of lust and gone bankrupt buying memory cards, upgrading their editing systems... However, if you are shooting on the sets, then definitely you can download and can do with less cards.
Jokes apart, I saw Shane Hurlbuts blog and he has said that he was using a hand assembled camera where the high ISO was limited to 1250 or so and he was not able to go beyond f2 or something. So very shallow depth of field in low light had contributed to the apparent difference in quality between the 1080p. He has also said that he was thinking that since it was a dream sequence, people won't mind. However, we should accept that there may be a big difference in quality between the two. Hope to see a sample from a post production camera. The problem is unless you see it in the big screen in a 4k projector, one won't know how good it is.
In the BTS footage of Ticket, the way the 1DC is handed by Shane Hurlbut to his assistant in the ramp, I feel that is huge. Else you would need a crane or something to film from the first floor to the ground floor level. I think this camera is a no brainer for large production houses to buy/rent. I am sure Canon will do the necessary tweaking of firmware to add features and this camera is going to work well.
In this forum, there were initially lot of people who disliked the price of C300 and now we see a big and ever growing owner base of that camera. I feel it will be a similar case with the 1D C.
I guess Canon knowingly priced it at 15k USD, else a few guys would have bought it out of lust and gone bankrupt buying memory cards, upgrading their editing systems...
However, if you are shooting on the sets, then definitely you can download and can do with less cards.Jokes apart, I saw Shane Hurlbuts blog and he has said that he was using a hand assembled camera where the high ISO was limited to 1250 or so and he was not able to go beyond f2 or something. So very shallow depth of field in low light had contributed to the apparent difference in quality between the 1080p. He has also said that he was thinking that since it was a dream sequence, people won't mind. However, we should accept that there may be a big difference in quality between the two. Hope to see a sample from a post production camera. The problem is unless you see it in the big screen in a 4k projector, one won't know how good it is.
In the BTS footage of Ticket, the way the 1DC is handed by Shane Hurlbut to his assistant in the ramp, I feel that is huge. Else you would need a crane or something to film from the first floor to the ground floor level. I think this camera is a no brainer for large production houses to buy/rent. I am sure Canon will do the necessary tweaking of firmware to add features and this camera is going to work well.
In this forum, there were initially lot of people who disliked the price of C300 and now we see a big and ever growing owner base of that camera. I feel it will be a similar case with the 1D C.
The massive plus point , to me, is the DSLR body.
When I shoot with the HVX or, on occasion, a Scarlet/Epic... I get hassled by the general public, this is distracting and can affect the shot I am after (especially nature stuff). A DSLR rarely brings this problem.
I imagine this is way down the list for most people.... But as I have pointed out before... Not everyone on this forum is doing narrative or even broadcast. Image acquisition serves many industries these days.
Of course, stealth shooting will be a huge plus point to most here too.
When I shoot with the HVX or, on occasion, a Scarlet/Epic... I get hassled by the general public, this is distracting and can affect the shot I am after (especially nature stuff). A DSLR rarely brings this problem.
I imagine this is way down the list for most people.... But as I have pointed out before... Not everyone on this forum is doing narrative or even broadcast. Image acquisition serves many industries these days.
Of course, stealth shooting will be a huge plus point to most here too.
before people decide to spend 15000$ they should learn what same spec mean....
RAW image is 3x smaller than debayer image ...4k 16bit frame is 16MB and uncompressed 4k 422 jpeg is 24MB...
for the same compression RAW video will be 30% smaller....
1dc compression is not beter than red scarlet....
RAW image is 3x smaller than debayer image ...4k 16bit frame is 16MB and uncompressed 4k 422 jpeg is 24MB...
for the same compression RAW video will be 30% smaller....
1dc compression is not beter than red scarlet....
Do you really think that anyone interested in the 1D-C will not have spent hours researching (or using) the Scarlet?
Both have pros and cons.... I'm interested in finding the one that ticks the most important boxes.
You have clearly already made your mind up, so I'm not sure why you are so concerned. I can guarantee you that whichever 4K system I buy into, I will make my money back... So don't feel sorry for me if I make the "wrong" choice.
Both have pros and cons.... I'm interested in finding the one that ticks the most important boxes.
You have clearly already made your mind up, so I'm not sure why you are so concerned. I can guarantee you that whichever 4K system I buy into, I will make my money back... So don't feel sorry for me if I make the "wrong" choice.
im not having problem with people who knows what they want....but there is lot of wild guesses and false data..so lets put things straight...i just dont want to see people who are not good in understanding spec get false image and waste money....
and i dont see how blind brand loyality can do any good ...it just keep prices high for mediocre products....
and i dont see how blind brand loyality can do any good ...it just keep prices high for mediocre products....
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Emanuel
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4K is future proof. But not all shooters need it. You won't need such for an ad as for instance, if your goal didn't reach the 4K standard yet. Benefits of downsampling (see Nyquist theorem) aside.
Narrative? Well, it is a whole different story.
Even if C300 is perfect for doc work nowadays, 4K can give you the extra bucks at some point later in time.
Pictures work out as same as a property even decades later. Like a house to rent where the audience(s) is(are
a tenant of ours. The better a product we have to offer is, the higher number they are and longer their stay with us is. And by consequence, with the primary investment.Emanuel
squig
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I had the opposite once shooting with the 5D in a nightclub....people kept standing in front of me wanting their picture taken....I didn't have a flash so it was hard to make them go away.
PS good point E...it would be nice to shoot my feature @ 4k to future proof it. I'm aiming to make it a cult classic...don't see any point making a film that fades into obscurity.
alot of cult classics (and blockbusters) are shot on s16 though... i'd say films like black swan are pretty darn future proofed.... Purely because people will want to watch them in the future and a 2K scan is just fine! I think the future proofing notion is more apt for things like nature documentaries... Those will really shine at 4K.
That said, if you can afford the 4K workflow, go for it.
That said, if you can afford the 4K workflow, go for it.
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stefancolson
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I have an alarming amount of footage of people posing for pictures before I have to chime in "it's a video, not a photo". Seriously hours of footage...