10mm Lens recommendations?

the 7-14 is good if your plan on being faithful to m45. Nikon mount tokina is more practical if you are moving between cameras
BTW no barrel distortion on the tokina
 
Greg Smith said:
Shane, aside from the lens (which worked well for this), you managed to get a wonderful balance between the exposure on the subject and the lovely sky and clouds in the background. Any comments on camera settings and grading that would be useful to know for these kinds of conditions?

- Greg
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Greg, I didn't choose the shoot day, an hour before the squall came through the sky was dark and angry, I'm thinking this is going to look good, then the storm came through and dumped an hour of rain, we waited and were about to abhort, the rain stopped, but the sky was now pretty hot, not ideal knowing it's going to be low mostly up-looking wide angle. All I did was set my zebras to I think 90%, and tried not to show them, pretty hard when you are whip panning with the kid sailing through the air on that scooter. The vfr 50fps helps heaps I reckon. In edit (FCS) I still had to in 3 way colour corrector bring the sky back in a few shots.
 
elapheysal said:
Shane McLachlan said:
I've done a heap of snowboard stuff over the years on DVX/HVX rigs and can't wait to try the AF102 with this lens. I own and love the 7-14 Lumix. This is a really quick Razor scooter shoot I did a month or so ago.
Most is I think around the 10mm area, and it might give you an idea how it would go with your snowboard rail shoot.

Awesome example. That lens looks really clean without the distortion! Would be very interested in seeing the 7mm end. You've shot snowboarding so I imagine you can expect some of the shots I want to get (board flying by lens, rider filling up whole screen). The 2.8 on the Tokina will help with the night shots for sure, but 7-14 may be the jam. Need to have it looking good also because it will be broadcast - in HD I imagine.

ps - I used to live near Byron Bay when I went to school for a while. I'll be cruising through those parts again this October after a brief hunt in Darwin. Will be looking at more of your footage!
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I spent our Summer(your winter) in Park City for about 6 weeks about 5 years ago. Both my sons were based there doing training and snowboard comps, what an awesome part of the world, so different to where we live on the beach in Sydney.
This 7-14mm lens will suit your snowboard shooting perfectly, just set your focus manually with a rider static on the kicker or rail, stop the lens down as much as you can and let the riders rip!!!
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Shane McLachlan said:
elapheysal said:
I spent our Summer(your winter) in Park City for about 6 weeks about 5 years ago. Both my sons were based there doing training and snowboard comps, what an awesome part of the world, so different to where we live on the beach in Sydney.
This 7-14mm lens will suit your snowboard shooting perfectly, just set your focus manually with a rider static on the kicker or rail, stop the lens down as much as you can and let the riders rip!!!
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Looking forward to trying it out. While I have tested out the rolling shutter a little bit, I'd like to see the af100 in combination with that lens and see how the background images turn out. Hard to beat the 1080/60p.

Park City is pretty awesome - especially if you are a park rider. I've done a few shoots up there but prefer to go into the backcountry that the Wasatch has to offer.
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elapheysal said:
Does anyone have screen grabs from the Tokina 11-16 or Lumix 7-14 shot on the af100? I have a snowboard shoot this coming December which will require very wide angle shots (getting low under handrail). Some of the shoots will be at night with a generator, others will be at day, but nonetheless - need to make it look 'big' without massive barrel distortion. Wondering if the 11-16, with the crop, will be wide enough (since I have one). <br>
Thanks.
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Quick promo shoot with 7-14. Fun lens. Love it. Not fast but doesn't matter with the AF-100 ISO being so clean and DOF is a non issue this wide.
One downside with the 7-14 is you cant use filters on it. In the snow that might be an issue for you.
 
Erik Naso said:

Quick promo shoot with 7-14. Fun lens. Love it. Not fast but doesn't matter with the AF-100 ISO being so clean and DOF is a non issue this wide.
One downside with the 7-14 is you cant use filters on it. In the snow that might be an issue for you.
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Cool stuff for sure and looks super clean. I didn't know you couldn't add filters. I think ND wheel will provide what I need, but a polarizer helps. It isn't absolutely crucial to get the ultra beauty bokeh (although always nice). A lot of the shoots will be in the evening also under construction style lights.

Thanks for posting that! Seems I'll be renting shortly to try it out. Interested to see how the rolling shutter will work with the fast pans following the rider.
 
elapheysal said:
Does anyone have screen grabs from the Tokina 11-16 or Lumix 7-14 shot on the af100? I have a snowboard shoot this coming December which will require very wide angle shots (getting low under handrail). Some of the shoots will be at night with a generator, others will be at day, but nonetheless - need to make it look 'big' without massive barrel distortion. Wondering if the 11-16, with the crop, will be wide enough (since I have one).
Thanks.
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Go with the Lumix 8mm Fisheye. Been shooting handrailstuff with it all winter. Super sharp and light when handheld. Going fish-wide is the key for getting the classic "skate-feel" shots. At f3.5 there's no problem if you use generators. We usually carry two 2.5kW gennys along with 6 Redheads (800W) when we shoot snowboard at railspots. Make sure to mix up the footy between fish/long lens because only using fisheye on handrail shots gets kinda boring in the long run.

Here's an example that we shot 2 winters ago
 
Thanks. Great lens for shooting snowboarding. Here's some shots from last winter. (Premiere this fall)

I used AF101 and the 8mm at
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Those wide angles look flawless. I hear you on the over usage of the wide angle, but in an urban part they are obviously necessary many times. This was all shot on the af100 with a mix of HVX I'm guessing? Did you have any issues with the rolling shutter in any of the faster pans? It looked very good and from my experience you really need to pan that b to get the hello jello (af100).

Did you shoot some of the back country stuff up in the Little Cottonwood Canyon?

Good work!
 
Thx!

Usually there's a mix between the standard camera for snowboardfilmers (a.k.a HVX200) and some 5D/7D and AF101. All of my shots from the "Tentacle" trailer was with the AF101.

All shots 720/50p and I usually want to go with high shutter speeds (depending on the light conditions) There can be a problem if you wanna use a ramped slomo effect in AE with 24/25p and slow shutter speeds so crank it up and always go 50p.

Haven't experienced any problems with rolling shutter when panning but my fellow colleagues with 5D/7D usually has some issues.

"The art" of shooting handrails with fish take some time to get used to. I personally think that you'll get best results getting close to the rider as possible (sometimes I get scared on how close I actually am) When I shoot handheld with fish I try to get really close with the camera to the rail when the riders approaches the handrail and when he's beside me, on the rail, I'll pull the camera back (to get his whole body and board in the shot) and then extend it to the rail again to make the rail look bigger than it actually is.
Check out 01:03 in the Tentacle trailer and you'll know what I mean.
 
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Yeah, way good call. I usually try to fill the frame with riders head just being in and rail below. Thanks for posting.
 
the 7-14 is too slow. Get the TOKINA with the nikon mount, and the novoflex adator for manual iris control. I have it, its a beautiful lens.
 
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