10 Day Old 100A Broken! With Pics!

Colione

Colione

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Short Version:

Camera fell off monopod. A Ring holding the lens hood assembly broke off. Here are some pics of it.

http://www.djcolione.com/DVX_Broke/DVX_Broke.html

Also, I noticed this odd flare ring after the camera broke. Anyone know what it is? The flare is over my face on this screen grab.

http://www.djcolione.com/DVX_Broke/flarering.tiff

Thanks!
Cole



The Long Version ...

Hey Everyone,

After filming the Scientist with a broken DVX (fixed with black tape) I finally got around to taking some pictures of the broken part. Here again is the story to refresh your memories ...

In Edmonton I was filming a dance convention, 10 days after I had recieved my camera from B&H. Since I am a student and I am as poor as poo I was borrowing any sort of camera support I could get my hands on. It happened to be a manfrotto monopod. It has these three legs that could stick out at the bottom to make the monopod stand up. I had the camera resting on the steady monopod that weekend and the weekend before for the interviews I was doing, It's quite stable. Anyways, I was filming this question and answer period with the camera on the monopod, it ended, I turned around to pick up my bag and I hear this young kid shout "HeyManYourCamerasGonnaFall!!" I swing back around just in time to see the camera smack front first into the ground and the lens hood go flying.

Basically the lens hood attaches to a ring, and the ring that broke attaches the lens-hood-ring to the camera. The ring that broke goes right around the lens. The focus ring sits ontop of the ring that broke.

I called RBE electronics (panasonic told me to go there) and they quoted me $90 for the part. They sent me a schematic of the DVX and I circled the ring I thought it was and sent it back. (the schematic was unclear) So I might have told them the wrong ring. Anyways, I'm going to email them the pics, but I wanted to see what you guys thought about the broken part, what you think I need, or should do. I am also worried about any internal damage. There is also this strange lens flare that appears, I only noticed it after the camera was broken, and I am unfamiliar with filming so I don't know if it was there before. It seems it shouldn't be. There is a screen grab of that pic as well.

That was a lot to read, but any light that could be shed on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Cole
 
Re: 10 Day Old 100A Broken! With Pics!

ouch.

that flare is normal.. because you are shooting into the sun.
 
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Jarred,

That flare is normal? I forgot to mention that it goes all the way around the screen? In a circle. I thought the hexagon shaped flares were normal, but this is like a static ring that goes right around in my shot that doesn't move. It's ugly, and I've never seen footage with something like that in it. I should find a better example of it.
But that screen grab was the only thing I had at the moment.
 
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That picture is funny with you upset about DVX :D

And yes, like Jarred says, its all normal with the lens flare.
 
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The ugly ring flare is normal eh? Is there a certain technique to avoid that? It only happens sometimes. The other little hexagon lens flares are cool most of the time. But that one is just atrocious. I know when I was doing an interview there was an intense flare like that. Maybe I'll get a screen grab of that to show. Not that I don't believe you guys, I just want to be sure. a) I'm paranoid something is misaligned in my camera, and B) that flare is so ugly and sinful.

BTW that pic is really how I feel. I've wanted a 3CCD camera since '97 when I first found out about that sony. Finally in 2004 7 years later, I save enough to buy one. and in 1/255 of the time I wanted one, it breaks.
 
Re: 10 Day Old 100A Broken! With Pics!

The flare is normal under certain conditions. Whenever you shoot towards a bright light for example (Like the Sun!). If it's doing it all the time no matter what the conditions, then...
 
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In this GRab, it appears to be an extension of the flare. Looks normal to me!
 
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John,

with my camera disassembled, I figured out what it is. It's a reflection off of my UV filter. Now here's my next question...
...does that happen with all UV filters? I'm trying to set up a shot in my room where you can really see that ring, and then take the UV filter away and watch it move..but that's what it is.
 
Re: 10 Day Old 100A Broken! With Pics!

it is the natural way light and lenses work.. unless you use a flare resistant lens like the cookes..

A UV filter simulates the flare but even more so because it is less protected from stray light. A multicoated filter reduces that light reflection considerably.
 
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Jarred,

Thanks for the info. So did I basically get just an el-cheapo UV filter (wait, I did I know I did $24 USD), and that's the result? I basically bought a filter just to protect the lense, but if that garbage is going to show up ...then hmmff humbug!

a better multicoated UV filter will protect against the ugly flares then?
 
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HOLY OUTRAGEOUS!!!

I just got a quote back from RBE Video, the place that panasonic told me to go to get my camera fixed. I emailed them the pictures and they quoted me $250 + Tax for parts and labour. :-[

Does anyone know what part number is of the part I need? I would rather order it directly from panasonic for cheaper and then install it myself. On a schematic of the Frame and Casing parts assembly it's part number #68. Which totally doesn't look like the part, but RBE is telling me that is it.

Any help?!? I don't have $10 for tapes! So $250 to fix my camera is a little much for me. :(

Thanks!
 
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To be honest, $250 to fix a $3000+ camcorder that took a dive off a monopod ain't to bad.  You could easily have cracked the lens or any number of things.  Hey maybe you can coax some members from the forum to chip in a buck or two each.  If you had a paypal account we could all chip in a buck and help you out a little.  I only say this because
1. I know the feeling of wanting to be creative with my artwork and being limited only by my cashflow, (I'm currenlty a fulltime student and married, trying to pay off my loans with my brand new $3000 investment).
2. I saw some of your work, and it is quite good.  I say this because I can see this to also be a potential problem as future people will look at this and say, "hey, that animorphic adapter looks cool, maybe I can't get those shmucks on dvxuser.com to pay for."  If anybody else wants to chime in help out, I'd be glad to donate the first buck or two. :)
3. You have actual photographic evidence of a very unfortunate situation. Then again, I saw your photoshop work and this could all easily be a hoax ;)
 
Re: 10 Day Old 100A Broken! With Pics!

scharky,

I know $250 to fix a $5000 (CAN) camera is REALTIVELY inexpensive, what I find that IS expensive is this shop charging me $250 to screw in plastic ring. I know it could have been worse, a LOT worse, and I'm thankful it isn't.

I appreciate your ideas, and your offer to donate some money. I do appreciate it. If paying the $250 was my only way to get the camera fixed, and I was poorer than I am, I would go for it. Right now my jobs pay me well, and within a week or two I'd have enough money, i'm just looking for a way not to spend $250 for a plastic ring, 4 screws and 15 mins of labour to attach it. I'm more into buying the ring for $10-$20-$30-$50 and putting it in myself. I'd do it, except I don't know what part to order! That's where I really could use some help! So if anyone knows, or knows where I could order it from, or knows how I could find out, I would appreciate that.

Thanks scharky for the ideas and compassion. Poor Starving artists ... it's a struggle!
 
Re: 10 Day Old 100A Broken! With Pics!

I know what your talking about, brand name replacement products are way too expensive. I work for a photography company (doing the photo retouches and graphic design work) and we have a noritsu 2800 mini photo lab. One time a small magnet, that holds the door closed were you reload the paper, broke. No problem i thought, it's just a magnet right. Well, it turns out that the replacement magnet was about $50. This is a magnet by the way that is no bigger than a quarter. However it is shaped just right, that using a generic magnet would not work. The moral of the story, Cheap parts=big bucks to the manufacturers. If the ring on the dvx really did cost $200 the whole camera would be about $200,000.
 
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