Vegas and DVCPRO HD

I'm still praying that Sony will offer DVCPRO P2 support for Vegas!

I really hate to leave such a great program.


Any news on this subject?

Steve
 
None. Total silence. I think some severe action will be needed to get a statement one way or the other, though I expect a political hedge (we are looking into blah blah)
 
The codec is the least of the tools we need. The problem is that Vegas doesn't support Op-Atom MXF files. The codec will take care of itself, through Avid's free codec or MainConcept's for-sale codec. But the MXF support has to come from Vegas.
 
Barry, so the problem resides in unwrapping the MXF file?



If so, assuming MainConcept's DVCPRO-100 codec will allow realtime preview, I imagine we could use DVFilm Maker to unwrap it and use AVI or QT (gasp) in Vegas.
As you know, the AVID codec is horrible slow.
Is this correct?
thxs,Steve
 
I imagine we could use DVFilm Maker to unwrap it and use AVI or QT (gasp) in Vegas.
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You could, but would you want to? That's the problem.

The whole point was supposed to be hassle-free, capture-free, bullpoo-free integration. Shoot to the card, edit from the card. Edit-ready files; that's the whole point. So having to use three different workarounds to get at the footage is in my opinion completely ridiculous.

If Vegas implements native MXF support so you can read the card directly, or read the files directly, then that's a huge first step. If MainConcept or Vegas supply a real codec that has realtime performance, that's a second huge step. The last step is some sort of live capture application.

Once they get all three of those steps integrated, it will be a solution worthy of looking at.

I've tried using DVFilm Maker to unwrap files, and then use the Avid codec to look at 'em, and frankly it's a step backwards. It reminds me of trying to use Premiere 4.2 and a DPS Spark card to edit DV with.

Well, I'll guess we'll have to see what they come up with. But I think the only satisfactory solution is when they announce and implement proper support, properly.
 
Thanks Barry.

I guess we'll have to wait and see.

I might be willing to do the workarounds until a solution arrives.

Steve
 
"I've tried using DVFilm Maker to unwrap files, and then use the Avid codec to look at 'em, and frankly it's a step backwards. It reminds me of trying to use Premiere 4.2 and a DPS Spark card to edit DV with."

Is this true of the most recently released version?

http://www.dvfilm.com/raylight/index.htm
 
Raylight's better. On Raylight I can get performance that's 4x as good as on the Avid codec. Still not realtime, but maybe with a modern dual-core athlon 4400 or whatever, it would be.
 
Barry,

Do you feel that Raylight represents a viable workaround for Vegas users until / if Sony offers integrated support for DVCPro/50/HD?

I guess the bottom line question is: are you on FCP now or are you using the Vegas-Raylight solution?

The series I'm on now is a DVX / FCP show, but all of Overland Films media is cut in Vegas.

Thanks!

e
 
I need something now that works now. FCP works now, so I ordered a Mac (which *still* isn't here... grrr...)

If I had a dual-core Athlon 6400+ whatever, then yes Raylight might be plenty enough. But my desktop is old and lame. I've also got Avid on my laptop, and that seems to be working fine, but I haven't devoted the necessary brain cells to understanding the avid workflow yet.

If I were undertaking a professional paying job with a deadline, which I am, I'd rather go with a proven working integrated end-to-end solution. That's why the Mac's on its way.

I still intend to get ahold of Edius Broadcast. My ultimate hope is that at NAB, when Vegas 7 is likely to be announced, they'll announce support. If they do, I may just have a Mac for sale on ebay. If they don't... well... I'll burn that bridge when I get to it! :)
 
I'm very limited on my HVX footage until ours arrives, but I can tell you with certainty that on an X2 4800, you can edit the Raylight conversions in Vegas at real time, with a full secondary monitor happening. Raylight is very efficient, and you'll likely see some serious competitors to it happening quite soon as well.
 
Barry_Green said:
I need something now that works now. FCP works now, so I ordered a Mac (which *still* isn't here... grrr...)

If I had a dual-core Athlon 6400+ whatever, then yes Raylight might be plenty enough. But my desktop is old and lame. I've also got Avid on my laptop, and that seems to be working fine, but I haven't devoted the necessary brain cells to understanding the avid workflow yet.

If I were undertaking a professional paying job with a deadline, which I am, I'd rather go with a proven working integrated end-to-end solution. That's why the Mac's on its way.

I still intend to get ahold of Edius Broadcast. My ultimate hope is that at NAB, when Vegas 7 is likely to be announced, they'll announce support. If they do, I may just have a Mac for sale on ebay. If they don't... well... I'll burn that bridge when I get to it! :)
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Well if you go mac then get Logic or Protools 7 and stay away from the soundtrack pro since it is only a replica to garageband. We know what that is about..you can get spoiled with the great audio that Vegas provides but in the MAC world with FCP only Logic or protools is the way to go.
 
I really thought that Vegas and Sound Forge were going to develop into serious competiton for Avid and Pro Tools. It seems that 's not Sony's objective, what a shame. I hate changing, but I've started putting together an Avid system. Even if Sony comes out now and says they'll support the files, as far as I'm concerned the damage is done.
 
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My company has several Vegas workstations. We will most likely start to work with HVX footage within the next few weeks.

The lack of direct support for the HVX has already caused us to keep everyone on Vegas 5 for the time being instead of updating all the workstations to version 6 last year. We just bought two new workstations and purchased old Vegas 5 licenses for them instead of going with Vegas 6. We are considering moving at least some of our editing to an NLE other than Vegas if no announcements are made for better HVX support during NAB 2006.

I help to make many of my company's technology decisions and thought I would throw in my 2 cents.
 
I know what you mean. I have switched over to FCP Studio. FCP is a little funky, but I am using it. But DVD SP blows away DVD Arch. I have made some beautiful DVD's with 24pN 720p footage. Motion and LiveType or cool and I have just looked at the audio program. A lot to learn but you gotta get on with it.
 
Gopher_Greene said:
I really thought that Vegas and Sound Forge were going to develop into serious competiton for Avid and Pro Tools. It seems that 's not Sony's objective, what a shame. I hate changing, but I've started putting together an Avid system. Even if Sony comes out now and says they'll support the files, as far as I'm concerned the damage is done.
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I second your sentiments, though with no real reason to switch yet (I'm working in DV for a while now), I'm not jumping ship yet. But I am getting a Powerbook, just to begin learning FCP to make the transition smooth when it comes.

It was a good ride while it lasted....
 
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