Finally; The IDX/JVC Debacle Conclusion

jlames

Well-known member
Okee Dokee. The end of the saga. Iust got back from FedEx and I can finally say unequivocally that despite a really screwed up system, when push comes to shove, JVC, Eric Rosenberg and Marion (gosh I wish I knew her last name) are men...and women...of their word. My wife insisted on snapping this picture of the official JVC box containing IDX batteries coming right out of my trunk. So the last word on this issue is as follows.

1) IDX...you did nothing...nothing despite having every opportunity to, at the very least, acknowledge this problem, apologize and try and straighten it out. But you chose to sit on your hands and do nothing as far as I can tell. As far as I can tell, you chose to let a simple producer, me, possibly drown in red ink when you could have, much more easily than JVC who's located 2600 miles from us across this great nation of ours, pick up the ball and help us out when you're a mere 36 miles down the 110 freeway from us in Torrance, CA. Now you can say you didn't know about it but that would be a bold-faced lie. Your employees knew about it...two of them; Michelle and Andrea. But Michelle was out of the office when this thing started (but I e-mailed her with then problem and solicited her help all without response) and Andrea chose to hang up on me and about 17 potential customers and 3 or 4 EVS employees for NO reason at all...TWICE! And you, like JVC, have had complete access to this Board so if you truly didn't know about this problem, your personnel and corporate issues go way deeper than a simple promotion gone horribly wrong. You had a chance to help. You had a chance to shine. You had a chance to evidence that you care about your customers... the people who pay your salaries and keep your doors open... and you did nothing. NOTHING. And for that you have lost my business and probably the vast majority of the people who read this Board. That's conservatively hundreds of thousands of people...aspiring and successful filmmakers alike who need and rightfully demand and deserve not a supplier but a partner like JVC.

2) JVC... I don't know where the problem lies but when one retailer is apparently able to get power supplies out to consumers in a week and others are not, there's a problem somewhere. So I say to you, you have a GREAT camera with absolutely no power. We put your camera up against the Panasonic, the Sony and the Canon and even being a long-time Canon XL user, chose the JVC HD100U for the type of television production we do. Are the others good? Yes. Could we afford ten of any of them? Of course. But after complete testing by some pretty smart guys like Mike Pellegatti, we felt that the HD100 would meet and exceed the demands of our distributors so we went with you. The battery issue was secondary and, in fact, I didn't even know about the power issues and the IDX deal until we had made our decision to go with the HD100. So, with all of that said, please, please devise a way to provide power to the purchasers at the time of purchase. Whether we are a one-man-band with our life savings tied up in a single $5600 camera or a small production company that is making the move to HD through HDV 5 cameras at a time, your product is our life blood. Without you, we don't eat and our kids don't go to school. So thank you. Thank you so much for individually and collectively realizing that there was a problem early on, rolling up your sleeves and fixing it as quickly and as modestly as you did. But there are still people out there with your great camera in hand, a great vision in mind, the will to make a film against staggering odds of success here in Hollywood and no power with which to make any of that happen. Please, help them as you have helped us because in the end, we can make any camera work. It's the people behind the product that create brand loyalty and my loyalty to JVC has been resurrected from the ashes because of one thing and one thing alone; your word was gold. Thanks to you and FedEx, I have the power I need and I can fulfill my commitment to those to whom I have given my word on production dates.

And finally to Jared and all of the people who make up this Board, thank you. Corporate America, in my mind, has become so callous to the needs of the people it is supposed to serve that it arrogantly refuses to extend us even the most basic and common of of courtesies; customer service. They truly believe that there is such a need for the next greatest thing out there, for their product, that they can feed us garbage and we'll not only accept it but thank them for it. To turn the tide it takes unity; a coming together of the people embodied in Howard Beal's unforgettable performance in 1976's "Network" when he said, in one take, the 2nd as I remember it, "I don't have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things are bad. It's a depression. Everybody's out of work or scared of losing their job. The dollar buys a nickel's worth; banks are going bust; shopkeepers keep a gun under the counter; punks are running wild in the street, and there's nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, and there's no end to it.

We know the air is unfit to breathe and our food is unfit to eat. And we sit watching our TVs while some local newscaster tells us that today we had fifteen homicides and sixty-three violent crimes, as if that's the way it's supposed to be!

We all know things are bad -- worse than bad -- they're crazy.

It's like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don't go out any more. We sit in the house, and slowly the world we're living in is getting smaller, and all we say is, 'Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel-belted radials, and I won't say anything. Just leave us alone.'

Well, I'm not going to leave you alone. I want you to get mad! I don't want you to protest. I don't want you to riot. I don't want you to write to your Congressman, because I wouldn't know what to tell you to write. I don't know what to do about the depression and the inflation and the Russians and the crime in the street. All I know is that first, you've got to get mad. You've gotta say, "I'm a human being, goddammit! My life has value!"

So, I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window, open it, and stick your head out and yell, 'I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!'


So veteran filmmakers and beginners alike, producers, directors, cameramen and women, grips, electricians, craft service people, makeup, hairdressers and all form of this world's truly last bastion of creativity alike...this is my last word on the subject. You matter. This Board matters. What Jared and all who contribute to his Board have done and will continue to do matters. It is our last, best hope for Corporate America to stop the arrogance...to stop the maddness...to sit up and listen to us as we say through this and countless other Boards that we now know they're reading, "IDX et. al....we're mad as hell and we're not going to take this anymore. And to borrow a line from what I humbly consider to be the best film of the decade, "Good night and good luck".

P.S The SDR on the box certifies that JVC tried for a Saturday, Priority overnight delivery but the ice storm was simply too much!Delivery
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Kudos to JVC for fixing this problem. I don't understand why IDX hasn't said a word on this. I'm sure I've seen them post here.

Has anyone actually received thier batteries through sending out the cert? If so, how long did it actually take?
 
Jlames, I read it all!
A part of the song from `We're not gonna take it` The Who - Tommy rock opera

[CHORUS]

We're not gonna take it.
We're not gonna take it.
We're not gonna take it.
We're not gonna take it.
We're not gonna take it,
Never did and never will,
We don't have to take it.
Gonna break it!
Gonna shake it!
Let's forget it better still!
We're not gonna take it.
We're not gonna take it.
We're not gonna take it.
We're not gonna take it.
We're not gonna take it,
Never did and never will,
Don't want no religion,
As far as we can tell!
 
I'm glad you did. Closure means alot and I promise to be more concise...Are you sure you're not my long lost Norwegian relative channeling my father's mantra "Edit, edit, edit!!!"?
 
Jonathan - thanks for keeping us all updated on your saga.
I'm glad you finally got it sorted it out.

I've told your story to many people that I know - and they're all shocked at the way the IDX employees responded to you. Even my wife (who doesn't do any production work) couldn't believe it.... her response was "if I did that at my job I'd be fired!"

In any respect, thanks for sharing your experiences - personally I'll stay away from IDX because of this. Hopefully someone from the company will read this board eventually, and realize what effect customer service (of the lack thereof) can really have on a company.

Good luck with the show!
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Thanks, Luis. I've been amazed as just how many people have PM'd and e-mailed me echoing your exact sentiments. I've been asked by literally dozens of people both on the Board and privately through PM and e-mail about my worries about a law suit. Let me say to everyone that has asked; fortunately, our attorneys (a necessary evil in today's litigious society) have been fully briefed on everything from the start and copied on everything. They...OK, actually she...tells me that we have nothing to worry about except the inconvenience of defending a suit which we fully expect from IDX's lawyers in the near future because it seems that's the way companies are going these days. Instead of saying, "Hey, we screwed up. Sorry. Let's work with you and people like you so we can do a better job in the future.", they'll probably just file a slander and libel suit against us. Thankfully, with the speaker phone on and so many people in EVS that day, the record of what actually happened is completely patent. But you're right. I can't believe no one from IDX has even called to say sorry either. That tells me one of two things; Either they're to high and mighty to say I'm sorry or they don't read these Boards to find out what the public is saying about them. Either way, that's no way, IMO, to run a company. Say what you will about personal preference relative to this camera or that camera but one thing is indisputable; JVC is a class act that stands behind not only their products but their customer/partners as well. I just can't say enough about how well JVC responded. We're on break right now and three of our cameras have been humming along happily all day with no Home Depot cords trailing behind. Again...great batteries, lousy people. So one last time, Big Time Thanks Eric, Rush and all once again. If the suit does materialize, we've prepared to open a new site on the web just as we did with my wife's problem which, by the way, we won and they settled out of court on Friday, to post it, our answer and all things relevant and public as we move down the lawsuit highway if and when IDX decides to go that route. Just for grins, if you want to see how my wife treats bullies, her lawsuit site is at www.lipstinkjustice.com. but since we settled, it'll be coming down next week when we execute the settlement papers. She supplies a great deal of cosmetic products to the entertainment industry because of the quality of her products. They don't harm the skin and stay on even under the demanding pressures and heat and humidity of Hollywood sets. Off subject but it's a fun David beats Goliath story anyway.
 
Something new- I received a call from Michelle this morning who's been out sick AND pregnant to boot (We certainly wish you the best on both fronts, Michelle) and she says that it wasn't Andrea but Amanda with whom I had the problem of hanging up on me at IDX. So getting the facts straight, apparently I got the name wrong or she gave a false name; probably the former. But what is EXCEEDINGLY PROBLEMATIC is the fact that, according to Michelle, she hung up on me only after I called her, " A *****". Well, those of you who know me know that I would never use that type of language ESPECIALLY when I'm in the middle of a crowd of EVS people. So, apparently what I forecast came true. This young lady is now trying to justify her actions by lying to her bosses. BIG PROBLEM though...Speakerphone. Literally everyone at EVS was present during both conversations on speaker phone and no one heard anything of the sort.

Why can't companies and people just come clean, say, "I made a mistake." and let it go instead of adding fuel to the fire by fabricating stories? For me, all it would take is an apology on IDX's part on behalf of their employee and bygones would be bygones. But apparently lying has become the escape route for Amanda. Let's see how IDX handles this issue. Again, great batteries, lousy, lying representative.

I don't mean to belabor this issue and as far as I was concerned it was over...until I got a call from IDX's Michelle who, by the way, is a totally innocent party here. But when someone calls me a liar saying I said something I didn't, well, that just goes to the very purpose of this Board; to weed out the bad apples and let the cream rise to the top. JVC...cream. IDX...well, your call.
 
Hopefully this is simply a case of "one bad apple."
Amanda is obviously just trying to keep her job.
I wouldn't worry too much about her specific reaction or defense, but more about how IDX reacts to this.

You can't blame Michelle for looking into it (I mean "you" in general here, it's obvious from your post that you aren't blaming her jonathan)- but it's how she responds that will say a lot about what kind of company this really is.
 
Well, If IDX wants to allow employees to treat their customers this way, it's a shame.

What blows my mind is they sell to a niche market. Hey, we're not selling socks here. This is a very specialized battery kit.

I'm sure EVS is disgusted in IDX's reaction, especially since they heard it themselves. Again, I see Michele has no connection to this issue, but I sure hope they pay closer attention to their employees as they bury their customer base.

It's not 1985 anymore- DVXUSER and other noteable forums are viewed by an amazing amount of users.

Also, since we are in a specialized field -------- Word get's around, believe me.

Steve T.
 
Absolutely not. The IDX batteries are good as we found in the single field test we did with them a couple of weeks ago. How they will hold up over the long run under the abuse studio units typically get is another story, though. We'll simply never again deal with IDX because of the company employees. In my humble opinion, Anton Bauer is every bit as good as, if not better than, the IDX solution and less expensive and proven over the long haul. Plus it's the industry standard. If IDX didn't have the JVC battery promo going, we'd have never even known who they were and, quite frankly, I personally wish I still didn't know who they are. But money talks so let's look just at price.

The Anton Bauer QR JVC HDV bracket is $179.00 at Cine Store while the IDX NVA100 bracket is $329.95 at B&H. OK, fair is fair. What about EVS? Well I don't know about the bracket prices but the battery prices are relatively similar with the Anton Bauer Dionic 90 at $449.95 and the IDX E10 at $459.95.

So when you add it all up, a battery/bracket system for the JVC GY HD100U from Anton Bauer will set you back $628.95 while the IDX system will cost you $789.90...about $160 more.

Hmmmm, lemme see. Do I write a check to an established, proven, industry standard company like Anton Bauer or a comparatively young company with no track record and evidenced rude sales people who hang up on their customers but would charge about 25% more if they'd have stayed on the line? We'll probably be sticking with Anton Bauers for everything we own except the 5 new JVC's that came with the IDX package free. And even then I'll chuck those IDX systems when they run out of power going back to the old standard, the Anton Bauer. But ultimately the choice is yours. You may feel differently.
 
Well it is a small world Steve and i hope to see you at this year's NAB in Las Vegas. I'm sponsoring a shindig and started a thread, NAB 2006 Get Together as things start to come together. I truly hope you and the other small world friends can make time time to attend, eat our food, drink our libations and enjoy each other's company. And I'm putting together a three-HD display system so filmmakers can show their work during the party. Jared is already having one and we may get together and just make it one big hullabaloo but either way, we all need to get together, shake hands, put names with faces, trade war stories and walk away feeling like the community we are. I'll keep you posted through that thread.,
Jonathan
 
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