How will we archive the raw footage?
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jessecoane
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You could do a data HD DVD for archive. Or a firewire drive. Any data medium would work. What ever you feel comfortable with and can afford. You wouldn't want to encode the HD footage to HD DVD for archive because its lossy.
jesse
jesse
OK, I put it this way: I occasionally film events, footage for artprojects and mostly footage for advertising. within the last years I have been collecting many maaaany DV tapes I still want to use the footage from. If it was DVCPRO HD 1080 I reccon it might be several TB.
Still I don't think I spent more than 500,- Euros on DV tapes until today. I can label them. I can send them to collegues who want to use my footage, I can even just wach them on any cam.
Get my point? Ither you compress it or you store it on big HDDs or - and that's perhaps the option - you use a good streamer to archieve your footage in data.
Still I don't think I spent more than 500,- Euros on DV tapes until today. I can label them. I can send them to collegues who want to use my footage, I can even just wach them on any cam.
Get my point? Ither you compress it or you store it on big HDDs or - and that's perhaps the option - you use a good streamer to archieve your footage in data.
thisiswells
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HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will also hold data-only, just like existing CD-R's and DVD+/-R's.
So, yes. I think these newer high capacity discs are an excellent choice for data backup.
So, yes. I think these newer high capacity discs are an excellent choice for data backup.
thisiswells
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Phillipp has a good point. A friend of mine is battling this with his 60+ tape telecined film
archive. It's about 40 hours of footage on Panasonic D5 10bit uncompressed tapes.
Right now, to port all of that over to hard drives would be terribly unreliable and expensive.
Mostly, just expensive. So, for the time being they're stuck on D5 tape. However, in a few
years, Hitachi will be manufacturing a 1TB drive for under a grand and it will not be unreasonable
to imagine purchasing several for an archive. But, my friend will always keep his D5 tape
because of a sincere distrust in HDD technology. But, that's him. I think HDD's are fine for
many things, as long as there is at least one backup somewhere else and undisturbed.
brian wells
archive. It's about 40 hours of footage on Panasonic D5 10bit uncompressed tapes.
Right now, to port all of that over to hard drives would be terribly unreliable and expensive.
Mostly, just expensive. So, for the time being they're stuck on D5 tape. However, in a few
years, Hitachi will be manufacturing a 1TB drive for under a grand and it will not be unreasonable
to imagine purchasing several for an archive. But, my friend will always keep his D5 tape
because of a sincere distrust in HDD technology. But, that's him. I think HDD's are fine for
many things, as long as there is at least one backup somewhere else and undisturbed.
brian wells
thisiswells
Retired
As in all imaging fields, the question comes down to:
"What do I want my image aquisition tool to be?"
For some folks it is film. They archive on film or tape.
For some folks it will be P2HD and there are alot of options. You know, a DVCPRO-HD deck
shouldn't be out of consideration just because there is P2 and HDD's on the block now.
Sure, a HD-1200A is a whole lot more expensive than the camera, but that's the magic of
the camera since it doesn't need tape. The deck is still priced extremely fair compared to others.
brian wells
"What do I want my image aquisition tool to be?"
For some folks it is film. They archive on film or tape.
For some folks it will be P2HD and there are alot of options. You know, a DVCPRO-HD deck
shouldn't be out of consideration just because there is P2 and HDD's on the block now.
Sure, a HD-1200A is a whole lot more expensive than the camera, but that's the magic of
the camera since it doesn't need tape. The deck is still priced extremely fair compared to others.
brian wells
Probably the best choice for the near term will be normal data backup tapes. They can hold up to 400 GB or so, and they have very well proven durability (better than both optical media and video tape). They are also fairly cheap; I think I remember them being on the order of $0.25/GB. This would mean about $15/hour backup of 1080 footage, or $30/hour if you want to back up twice for redundancy.
thisiswells
Retired
Philipp said:
Okay. I see what you're saying here: tape was a lot more convenient and cheaper than
this newfangled P2-thing. Yes, it was cheaper. You could play it on any $400 camera
from the corner store. It archived easily. It looks alright. You liked it. Things were good.
Now, with HD everything seems more expensive because it is more expensive. So, it
really comes down to an individuals needs and business strategies to determine if it
makes sense to shoot and archive and determine a playback method and etc. with HD.
Maybe it doesn't make sense economically for you to shoot 1080p all the time. Maybe
for your business, no-one is willing to pay extra enough to cover your increased costs.
Maybe it would be better to shoot at 720p24 which is only 40mbps (vs. 25mbps in DV)
then that way you could get increased color fidelity and resolution without costing
an arm and a leg to archive and transport your footage.
Point is: HD is more expensive. It takes a better computer to edit it. It requires more
sophisticated tape machines to record it. It is more discerning in focus. It requires
training and a completely new workflow. And, it looks better. If you want better,
we have to accept all the other stuff that goes along with it. And, that's gear+money.
brian wells
thisiswells
Retired
xander76 said:
Do a google search for "400GB tape backup"
The most affordable drive appears to be made by IBM and sells for around $3,100.00.
The data transfer rate is 35mbps. Still pretty cheap for the tapes, though.
WTF? TAPE BACKUPS? Again I say....WTF? Isn't that going in the opposite direction? Linear--->Non-Linear------>Back to Linear? One more time....WTF?
400GB tape backup? Why not just get a 400GB Hitachi drive and save yourself a ton of money? They are only 300-400 bux. For that price....get 2!! :thumbsup:
http://www.buy.com/retail/product.a...rm=10374092&Type=PE&Category=Comp&dcaid=17379
~reservoir~
400GB tape backup? Why not just get a 400GB Hitachi drive and save yourself a ton of money? They are only 300-400 bux. For that price....get 2!! :thumbsup:
http://www.buy.com/retail/product.a...rm=10374092&Type=PE&Category=Comp&dcaid=17379
~reservoir~
Don't get me wrong Wells. I would love to sing the DVCPRO HD song. It's just: After working with the Z1 I don't see the point so much. Artefacts are not a problem at the moment and you could edit HDV on a 400$MacMini (which I don't). And we are not talking about weddings and birthdays. And it's on tapes using 25mbps. For me it works just great. Why don't Pani use something compressed?
DVCpro is compressed. It sounds like you don't need the quality that the panasonic brings to the table. That's fair enough. But it is a significant difference and does matter to many people. I'd much rather have to deal with the "problem" of finding room for my high quality HD material rather than play around with a 4:2:0 tape CODEC. That's just me though.
Zig_Zigman
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There will be tape around for years and years to come. Lots of stuff on old film hasn't even made it to tape yet. Lots of films are backed up on 1 inch master tapes from the 80's.
You like tape, just keep your old tapes.
You like tape, just keep your old tapes.