NAB 2024 - Rumors and Wishes

So many of their camera design decisions are just so baffling. And they almost always look like consumer toys. I do like the looks of their new rod based VF mount, though. I run Arri’s version on both my Amira and 35.
 
scorsesefan said:
The choice of the side monitor basically renders it useless for any handheld work. Of course you can add a monitor on top, but I'm a big fan of minimalists systems.
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I mean, sort of seems like the whole point of the camera is to build it into the rig you desire. Hence the appeal of the box format. No camera can be all things to all people. I suppose the pocket is the better choice if you want to operate off a built-in monitor. But I mean, I'm a major user/proponent of mirrorless cameras wearing as few accessories as possible and not even I operate off the built-in camera monitor.
 
How many working video professionals don't own at least a couple of different options for ND at this point? I have variable ND's, fixed ND's, etc. I have ND's for small mirrorless run and gun setups and ND's for slower, more deliberate cinema-style work. I've got ND's built into cameras and ND's for point and shoots.

The no ND's thing isn't that big of a deal IMO, but it DOES depend on how you intend to use this camera.

If you truly need a documentary style camera with good onboard audio, built in ND's, a form factor that goes quickly from tripod to shoulder mounted work, etc. then this isn't the camera for you.

But if you're just doing interviews and broll with it, and editing your own footage, then this camera can do everything you need it to. One XLR gives you a boom straight into camera for audio and you go back home and throw the Blackmagic RAW on your system and bang out an edit that looks and sounds good. Bob's your uncle.
 
DustinSchmidt said:
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The no ND's thing isn't that big of a deal IMO, but it DOES depend on how you intend to use this camera.
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Personally, I don't see why they didn't include internal ND. What would that have cost? You can still use your own filters if you want to, but many people would have appreciated the internal option.

That seems like a bigger miss to me than the monitor. Because if they give it a flip-out monitor then you need to rig the camera to an appropriate position to see the monitor, which is the wrong way to design your build IMO. Just put on the EVF or monitor of your choice and in your choice position.
 
I would have preferred a fx6 like cameras but you know the golden rule never compete directly against another manufacture or have models in your own lineup overlap, carve out a little nitch. These internal decisions often drive these odd choices that don't make sense to users. I call them boardroom decisions.

This seems to me narrowly focused on only cinema uses on a tripod built out. If it had, internal ND, flip out lcd, dual xlrs, recorded in ProRes and MP4 h.264, then it would have much broader base of people who would want to buy it. Obviously they want to push people to use DaVinci so they didn't include other recording formats. In many workflows you need to hand of video non raw to editor often remotely who's not going to conform to who ever films it.

I have long said I don't like the pocket form factor and wanted a box camera but this is half baked, it doesn't have all the features of a pocket in a box style camera. That's the problem with it for me.

Sorry It's a no for me dawg
 
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DustinSchmidt said:
How many working video professionals don't own at least a couple of different options for ND at this point?.
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It depends - My R6 and 24-70 or 24-105 I just have a 3 stop ND that I take off if I go inside or dusk arrives.

But shooting that camera means im in 'casual' mode so sometimes going to 1/200 shutter or F8 are 'acceptable' and the zoom is staying on all day. So the hard ND just stays on all day.

With my 'more serious shoots' with primes and caring about iris and shutter speed ND is good, Ive had ND since the F3 (fs7 C200)

So if I were in the mrket for a MF 'cinema box' Id be going F5/55 with ND not this new black tragic.

I have the zcam E2 which is a good cinema box has best in class HFR and cost $2.45 (but no ND!)

S
 
The main reason why I see the lack of ND as an issue is that their own customer base asked for internal NDs in the camera positioned right below this one. Obviously the feature is desired in a lower cost camera. It is like it was purposefully left out. Sure we can get along without it, but we have been getting along without it and an upgrade or new camera is a chance to improve some things. As usual, the world is not going to end for sure.
 
Bassman2003 said:
The main reason why I see the lack of ND as an issue is that their own customer base asked for internal NDs in the camera positioned right below this one. Obviously the feature is desired in a lower cost camera. It is like it was purposefully left out. Sure we can get along without it, but we have been getting along without it and an upgrade or new camera is a chance to improve some things. As usual, the world is not going to end for sure.
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That would be funny if the omission of ND on the Pyxis was a harbinger of the apocalypse

"The eND is nigh!"

But yeah, as a mirrorless camera shooter, that's the only feature I really miss -- internal ND. Yes, there are numerous other differences between "cine" cameras and mirrorless cameras. But that's the only one I personally miss.
 
Bassman2003 said:
The main reason why I see the lack of ND as an issue is that their own customer base asked for internal NDs in the camera positioned right below this one. Obviously the feature is desired in a lower cost camera. It is like it was purposefully left out. Sure we can get along without it, but we have been getting along without it and an upgrade or new camera is a chance to improve some things. As usual, the world is not going to end for sure.
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I agree it was left out with intention. That's the sad part because once they create a new camera model they aren't going to fix something they have designed that way on purpose.

Now for me I film 99% indoors never going to use an ND. But the target audience of this camera is prime lenses that often have different filter sizes. Anyone who films outdoors knows the value of an internal NDs it's constant concern. I'm sure that in the board room they determined that offering a camera with the same features of the pocket would directly compete against it. Further more they are going to say true cinema shooters will use a mat box or cine lenses that use the same filter size.

It's a very narrow purpose camera one that doesn't fit most freelance jobs. I'm sure to all these complains, BM answer would be if you want those features buy the pocket. Segmentation is the soul crushing answer to all your questions to why it can't have these features. Protect Pocket cameras sales at all costs.

At least I'm at the part of my career I'm happy to buy anything that makes my life easier but not harder. Sure there are work a rounds but why are you buying a new camera to setup a new obstacle course to jump through? I thought they would have learned from the Pocket that people want internal ND but they are apparently happy to repeat the same mistakes. If I'm doing corporate interviews now I got a non-AF camera that can only take one audio input and that audio input requires an adapter to regular xlr... Normal interview is shotgun+lav and multiple lavs if more than one person... It's not a run n gun, it's not shoulder camera, what is this really good for?
 
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DustinSchmidt said:
How many working video professionals don't own at least a couple of different options for ND at this point? I have variable ND's, fixed ND's, etc. I have ND's for small mirrorless run and gun setups and ND's for slower, more deliberate cinema-style work. I've got ND's built into cameras and ND's for point and shoots.

The no ND's thing isn't that big of a deal IMO, but it DOES depend on how you intend to use this camera.

If you truly need a documentary style camera with good onboard audio, built in ND's, a form factor that goes quickly from tripod to shoulder mounted work, etc. then this isn't the camera for you.

But if you're just doing interviews and broll with it, and editing your own footage, then this camera can do everything you need it to. One XLR gives you a boom straight into camera for audio and you go back home and throw the Blackmagic RAW on your system and bang out an edit that looks and sounds good. Bob's your uncle.
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Since Dustin is not promoting his own excellent internal vs external ND test, I’ll have to do it for him.

 
norway said:
Since Dustin is not promoting his own excellent internal vs external ND test, I’ll have to do it for him.

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Looks like he finds the C500mk2 internal NDs are excellent. No IR pollution and just a touch desaturated compared to his reference filters.

Interesting that he mentions Burundi IR problems at the end. If true, it's not acceptable for a $25k camera
 
ahalpert said:
Looks like he finds the C500mk2 internal NDs are excellent. No IR pollution and just a touch desaturated compared to his reference filters.

Interesting that he mentions Burundi IR problems at the end. If true, it's not acceptable for a $25k camera
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I thought we all agreed to call it the Sony Burrito?
 
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