Vegas 8 And 9 Help Requested

embrypotzebra

embrypotzebra

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I have a Dell Computer with an Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200 @ 2.33 GHz processor, an 8 GB RAM, ATI Radeon HD 3450 graphics/video card, and still get very long rendering times for Canon's HF 10 AVCHD footage and Sony's EX 1 mxf files.

Average time to render either the AVCHD or mxf file into a WMV 1920 1080 60i 59 FPS 8 MBPS video is over an hour for about 2 minutes of footage... or Vegas 8 and 9 will just crash halfway through. I've tried other rendering templates with similar results.

I'm at a loss for what to do... Does my system just not have the proper specs to be able to handle rendering/editing footage in 1920 1080 resolution? Is it the program's fault? I've tried using Pinnacle Utltimate Studio 12 for the AVCHD footage (it can't handle the mxf files) and the render time is about the same.

Thanks for any help you can give me.

Chris
 
embrypotzebra said:
Average time to render either the AVCHD or mxf file into a WMV 1920 1080 60i 59 FPS 8 MBPS video is over an hour for about 2 minutes of footage...
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hi Chris,

Too much of a rookie myself to help you with above, although i do use vegas and mxf files and render is quite fast. however I am posting because your above render spec made me curious... 59 fps is a number I have never seen before (remember I am a rookie), and wondering why you are redering to that 59fps spec. Did you shoot in 59 fps? (or did you mistype and actually meant to type 29 fps)
 
Shooting at 59.98 (60fps) allows you to get smoother slow motion. You shoot at that rate when you know you will be slowing your footage down in post.
 
Windows Media Video is very processor intensive at high resolutions and high frame rates, particularly if there is a lot of motion. Given the speed of your CPU, your render times seem about right. The crashing is another matter. How does the crash manifest itself, are there any error messages?
 
John Cline

No error messages just stalls out without any progress.
After reading my specs are you saying the computer I have is slow? Video editing is the main reason I got it, so I'm a little suprised you said that my render time is normal.
Is there any other program or format (render settings) you can recommend?

PerroneFord

Doesn't shooting in 60i (59 Fps) played back at normal speed also give you a smoother video? Are you saying I should only use this setting when wanting to shoot slow motion? I ask because when I shoot at 30p I get a very choppy motion, and I was told that shooting in 60i 1080 is a higher resolution than 30p 1080. Not saying that's correct, just asking to set me straight.

Thank you both for the response.
 
I was talking about 60p not 60i. Very different thing. I don't shoot 60p unless I am going to do slo-mo. You cant play 60p back over the internet with any reliability, so I don't bother. In terms of smoother video at normal rates, the software is only playning back 24 or 30 frames per second. So if I were giving it 60, it would have to throw half or more of them away. That's not going to look smooth at all.

There is someting definitely going on with your files, but without access to the, and your render settings, we're powerless to help.
 
embrypotzebra said:
No error messages just stalls out without any progress.
After reading my specs are you saying the computer I have is slow? Video editing is the main reason I got it, so I'm a little suprised you said that my render time is normal.
Is there any other program or format (render settings) you can recommend?
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I assume that since you have 8GB of RAM in your machine that you're running Vista64. Regardless, the WMV encoder is a 32-bit program and can only access a maximum of 2GB of RAM. I suspect what is happening is that Windows has run out of physical RAM and is having to use the page file on the hard drive. This is INCREDIBLY slow and will make the machine appear to have stalled when it has "only" slowed to a crawl. It hasn't actually crashed, but it has become so slow as to be unusable.

There is a 64-bit version of the Windows Media Encoder available for free from Microsoft which will use all the RAM that's available, it is also optimized for multi-core processors. You can render an uncompressed AVI version of your video and use the 64-bit WME to encode it to a Windows Media Video file.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/forpros/encoder/default.mspx

Your machine isn't slow, but your quad-core is running at 2.33Ghz which is at the slower end of the available quad-core processors.
 
WM Encoder

WM Encoder

John

I've been playing around with the settings, trying to make an AVI file into a WMV... both are at 1920 1080 29 Fps but the program's video while it converts stops about 1 second into each conversion. The conversion finishes, but the completed file can only play that first second of footage, as the rest didn't go through. Any suggestions on settings that work for you?

Note: I've been starting each session as Custom. The program works when converting down to 1280 720, but Vegas 8 can do that too (in about the same time).

Also you mentioned my processor speed was on the low end of intel quads... should I upgrade this, or can it still handle what I'm trying to do?
 
What software are you using? Saing Vegas 8 an 9 is ambiguous. I have 8.0b/c Pro and Pro 8.1 and my system is nowhere near as fast as yours. I do these conversions every week without issue.
 
PerroneFord

I use Vegas 8.0b (Build 217) and Vegas 9.0a (Build 85).

And you're saying you render from 1920 1080 to 1920 1080 using a data rate from 4.8 to 12.0 Mbps, without stalls, crashes, or long process times?

I am however able to render a minute of footage from 1920 1080 source material to 1280 720 at 4.8 Mbps in around 6 minutes... maybe that gives you a better idea of what I'm experiencing.
 
embrypotzebra said:
PerroneFord

I use Vegas 8.0b (Build 217) and Vegas 9.0a (Build 85).

And you're saying you render from 1920 1080 to 1920 1080 using a data rate from 4.8 to 12.0 Mbps, without stalls, crashes, or long process times?

I am however able to render a minute of footage from 1920 1080 source material to 1280 720 at 4.8 Mbps in around 6 minutes... maybe that gives you a better idea of what I'm experiencing.
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I have 8.0b on the laptop, 8.1 on the laptop and 8.0c on the desktop at the office. I render 1080p all the time. No crashes, no stalls. Render time seems commensurate with the power of my hardware. I'm a generally an event shooter so I have 1-4 hours on the timeline to render at a time. Yea, it takes a while!
 
but with my comp specs should it really be taking 10 minutes to render 1 minute of footage? there's no viruses on my desktop, its not even connected to the internet

would you recommend getting 8.0c?

Perrone...
Just realized I was also talking to you about this on the DVi boards. If you'd like we can just continue the conversation over there. Thanks for the help so far!
 
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