Shooting an instructional video w/HPX-170 advice.

mdslammer

mdslammer

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Hi Guys,

I'm shooting a drum instructional video next month in a recording studio for a friend.
I have the audio covered for both his kit and voice.

Bringing 2 light kits so I'll have enough to pick from and I'll stop by
prior to the shoot to get a better idea for camera maps/lighting setups.

The video is going straight to DVD to accompany his book.

I was going to shoot at 1080/24p. What benefit(s) would I get if I shot at
1080/60i?

Any other suggestions/advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Mark
 
mdslammer said:
The video is going straight to DVD to accompany his book.

I was going to shoot at 1080/24p. What benefit(s) would I get if I shot at
1080/60i?
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Unless you're doing a film out or variable frame rate (or need recording time on P2 cards) .... why would you shoot at 24p?

Wont 1080/60i give better quality for DVD?

Do some tests. Will there be artifacting of the drum sticks at 60i?
Is the DVD SD or BD? (1080/60i wil be BD ready)
 
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Good point and that's why I posted the question. I'm new to the HPX-170 and
still learning the camera.

So, you recommend 1080/60i then?
 
Depends on the look your going for, if its a low light situation you might go for 60i, or you could light and go for 24P mojo. Another idea is stick your shutter speed up and throw lots of light in, then speed it down after in the edit you can achieve some really cool effects. Get lots of shots so you can play, also buy Barry's HVX book to get the best out of the camera.
Jp
 
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Shooting in 24p will allow more file space on the DVD for higher bit rates or longer running times. 24p also has a film like cadence which some find desireable others find it juttery.

If it were me, I would shoot 1280x720 60p to better resolve the high motion of drumming (at the same time avoid interlacing). Progressive is wonderful if you ever need to go to the web. You can also slow down 60p to 24p for great slo-mo effects. If card space was an issue, I would shoot 24p (I am not a big fan of 30p and simply love the look of 24p). IMHO, the 170/200a do not offer justifiable resolution to shoot in 1080 unless card space is not an issue and/or you are going for a film out.


Jason
 
jpbankesmercer said:
Depends on the look your going for, if its a low light situation you might go for 60i, or you could light and go for 24P mojo. Another idea is stick your shutter speed up and throw lots of light in, then speed it down after in the edit you can achieve some really cool effects. Get lots of shots so you can play, also buy Barry's HVX book to get the best out of the camera.
Jp
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Good suggestions for future shoots. I'll make note of it.

But for this situation, I'm thinking "less is more". This is a pretty straight forward tutorial
with the drummer demonstrating exercises from the book. I don't think I'll be integrating
too many effects. Boring yes. Needed, not really.

Thanks.

Mark
 
AwakenedFilms said:
Shooting in 24p will allow more file space on the DVD for higher bit rates or longer running times. 24p also has a film like cadence which some find desireable others find it juttery.

If it were me, I would shoot 1280x720 60p to better resolve the high motion of drumming (at the same time avoid interlacing). Progressive is wonderful if you ever need to go to the web. You can also slow down 60p to 24p for great slo-mo effects. If card space was an issue, I would shoot 24p (I am not a big fan of 30p and simply love the look of 24p). IMHO, the 170/200a do not offer justifiable resolution to shoot in 1080 unless card space is not an issue and/or you are going for a film out.


Jason
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So you recommend 720/24p instead of 1080/60i for the web?

Also, card space is not an issue. I'll have plenty of time to dock one 16Gb card to my laptop and shoot on the other 16Gb card.

Mark
 
mdslammer said:
Good point and that's why I posted the question. I'm new to the HPX-170 and
still learning the camera.
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Me too, I'm trying to figure out the best format to shoot in for a direct to DVD product. I think this 24p "film" look is hooey, I think it will go the way of the DoDo. (I think 24p is only good for a film out)
 
There is a time and place for a 24P film look and I am not sure an instructional video is it. Just my 2 cents worth
 
So you recommend 720/24p instead of 1080/60i for the web?
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I would never use 60i for the web. 1080/24pA if you need maximum resolution, 720/24pN will usually be plenty of res and overkill for the web.

I think this 24p "film" look is hooey, I think it will go the way of the DoDo. (I think 24p is only good for a film out)
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That is your opinion, but don't be surprised if it's not shared by most of us on this board. I think if anything's going the way of the DoDo, it's a "film out". :thumbsup:

There is a time and place for a 24P film look and I am not sure an instructional video is it. Just my 2 cents worth
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We shoot all our instructional videos at 24p, but that's just because we like the look. And we do a lot of greenscreening, which is infinitely easier in progressive vs. interlaced.

Shooting in 24p will allow more file space on the DVD for higher bit rates or longer running times. 24p also has a film like cadence which some find desireable others find it juttery.

If it were me, I would shoot 1280x720 60p to better resolve the high motion of drumming (at the same time avoid interlacing). Progressive is wonderful if you ever need to go to the web. You can also slow down 60p to 24p for great slo-mo effects. If card space was an issue, I would shoot 24p (I am not a big fan of 30p and simply love the look of 24p).
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Agree 100%.
 
its a taste question. 24p and 60i both have their own look. using dirty jobs on discovery channel as an example. it was originally shot (or at least it looked as though ) 60i and had a very "video" look. like a local news cast. then in the last season or two they started shooting a 24p look and it looks more like film.

personally, i liked the 60i look for this show as it looked more personal.

just my opinion.

I think this 24p "film" look is hooey, I think it will go the way of the DoDo.
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yeah, its just a fad. like this crazy internet thing and of course the wheel. ; )
 
Not to join in all of the aesthetic arguments here, think about drumming. A lot of motion from the drummer. 24p is not the best for high speed motion and movement, you will see some judder, at least on his arms and the sticks and possibly his whole body if he is moving around the kit a lot during rolls, etc.

If it were me, 720 60p all of the way. I hate interlaced and interlaced is not very good for web video. 720 60p looks almost identical to 1080 60i but doesn't have all of the downsides of interlaced like jaggies, field order, etc. LCD and Plasma and most computer screens are all progressive, why shoot in technologically outdated medium like interlaced?

Dan
 
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I also like the look of 24P but I also like 30P or 60P depending upon the content. I also wonder about motion blur of the drumming but the blur might not really hide the action much anyway so it might not matter. I honestly don't know which I would prefer in this case but just thought that maybe something besides "the film-look" deserved more consideration. Sometimes I think the other looks are considered amateur in and of themselves when more often it is how and when they are used.
 
I've been getting really good results shooting 720p and either 24P or 60 and then down converting in post, as needed, for SD output. I like the look of Cine Gamma and have gotten no artifacts. Keep us posted on your final decision. I'd love to see your results.
 
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