HPX300 Price!

Barry_Green said:
Why? 10-bit is better than 8 in all ways. I didn't know the jury was even deliberating?
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Barry, I was speaking to 10bit support in desktop NLE systems, not the virtues of a 10bit work environment.

I don't keep up with many NLEs so I don't know if they support 10bit processing.

BTW, I downloaded some 10bit files that were posted on DVInfo by an Abel Cine tech and the footage had quite a bit of noise.

Could this be a setup issue because your review did not mention a lot of noise.
 
FCP, EDIUS, and Vegas are all >= 10 bit, as far as I know. FCP's ProRes is 10-bit, and Vegas supports 32-bit IINM. EDIUS is 10 bit internally on all processing, and only 8-bit on export to 8-bit hardware.

I saw a still of the Abel footage that someone was complaining about noise, and it looked hideous. You saw the stills of our stuff, and they sure don't look like that. I have seen noise in some scenarios, primarily when we were shooting sunset shots where there wasn't more than maybe 10 IRE in the entire scene. We wanted clean footage as noise-free as we could get it; I ran detail coring at around +5 and detail -2, with either B.Press or Cine-D gamma (because cine-D looked really good and didn't seem all that much noisier). That, and gain at -3dB.

I can say that noise was pretty much a non-issue in almost all our shooting scenarios. If you dig for it you can find it, which should be no surprise as we're talking about a 1/3" imager here, but I can find the same noise in EX1 footage in the same circumstances. When the light gets really low, and the detail level is high, and the pedestal is high, and the coring is low, and the gain is high, then yes you can make a 300 exhibit some ugly noise -- just like you could with anything else. Overall, the 300 seems on par or cleaner than the 170/200A in most ways. Noise can be exaggerated, or it can be optimized out. Use the right settings and get a decent level of exposure and you can minimize noise to where it's largely a non-issue.
 
How will footage from the 300 compare to a EX1 with a nanoflash?
I have the EX and was considering the flash unit as a way to get 10 bit 4:2:2
But this new panasonic looks nice.
 
The flash unit doesn't record 10-bit, does it? I think the NanoFlash will give you the best 8-bit MPEG-2 recording you can get, but it's still going to be 8-bit. Should be significantly better than XDCAM-HD or XDCAM-EX if you run it at either the 100mbps long-GOP or 160mbps I-frame mode.
 
Kholi said:
that adapter is locked at a 16mm-ish FOV. That means you're gonna need some wide-ass lenses to get wide shots. That's the reason I'm not interested. And, it only seems to sport a PL mount as well.

IMO the way to go would be Letus' EX-3 Relay mated to a 1/2" to 1/3" Bayonet adapter. You'd still get a wider FOV than the JVC adapter and you would have your choice of lens mounts instead of being locked into either or.

Rolling Shutter -- It is what it is.

AVC-Intra -- It's the cat's ass. The HPX3000 is nothing short of incredible and I'm willing to bet a significant portion of it's unfukwitable image quality is due in part to the AVC-Intra codec.

All that said, as excited as I am to pick an HPX300 up this March (hopefully before I go back to GA to visit!) I want to get my hands on one first. Regardless of what people say/think, I got burned on the HPX170 image. It wasn't what I liked about the HVX200A and still isn't.

So, I'm not putting my money down blindly on anything anymore.
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How did you get burned on an HPX170 image? What does the picture lack compared to the HVX200a???
 
Paul Kramm.net said:
Look out B&H in New York.....there price is $8, 495.00.
Later, Paul
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All dealers are required to advertise a price no lower than $8495. That's the so-called "MAP" price, or the "Minimum Advertised Price". Anyone who advertises it for a penny less than the MAP risks having their dealership revoked.

Dealers are free to sell it for less than the MAP, but they cannot advertise it for less than the MAP.
 
What happened to the post with the quote for the 300 from a store in San Diego?

Is there a rule about quoting prices on DVXuser? I see quotes all the time.

So, why did it get axed?

JohnnyD
 
What happened to the post with the quote for the 300 from a store in San Diego?
Is there a rule about quoting prices on DVXuser? I see quotes all the time.
So, why did it get axed?
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It posted a PDF quote to a specific customer that may be construed as if it were a quote to any customer. This would violate the MAP program and thus it was removed to protect that dealership. Granted it may have been posted without the dealer's knowledge, however it put that dealer in an unfavorable light. If you wish to work with that dealer you should contact directly.

Hope that helps,

Jan
 
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