JVC's answer to the HPX300- THe JVC GY-HM700

Hmm, it does offer cheaper recording media than p2 which may appeal to some.

But in some respects I feel they kind of missed the boat. Guess it depends what the final price of this vs the HPX300 will be. This probably needs to be a few thousand less to be competitive. It seems to me they missed the boat a little bit. Lets assume just for a second all things are equal and simply look at a few things, such as the EVF on the 300, the fact it can record in the AVCIntra codec, the additional wireless mount and channel, the waveform and vectorscope on the 300, CAC function on the 300.

As I said if its a few thousand less and in EX1 territory, theyll be ok, but its not really on the same par as the 300 (based on specs only).
 
For a studio camera though... this is a really nice option!

Heck hook it up to the Flash XDR!!! That'd be cheaper than getting P2 cards for the HPX300. Jsut some random ideas. I don't know a ton about AVC Intra.
 
AVC intra is the BOMB.

Best onboard recording codec to date. Rivals HDCAM SR and D5. 100MBPS AVCINtra is 1920x1080 4:2:2 10bit H264, but in Frame independent recording. it looks glorious.
 
Well then. I'll have to be sure to check it out. I kinda like these sub-10K cameras for studio applications. Route everything through HD-SDI to a nice board... like Panasonics... and capture straight to the computer. And you get the sturdy and rugged build quality of a professional broadcast camera as well.

We'll just have to wait and see I guess.

Letus 1/3" Relay PLEASE!
 
Joseph Stunzi said:
For a studio camera though... this is a really nice option!

Heck hook it up to the Flash XDR!!! That'd be cheaper than getting P2 cards for the HPX300. Jsut some random ideas. I don't know a ton about AVC Intra.
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Joseph, I'm with you in this. Let's think Indie "Guerrila" Filmmaking here:


Its MRSP is 8200 USD (I heard this from scarletuser.com), so street price should be lower by a thousand aprox.

It records to cheap media

It has HD-SDI out, which means with the FLASH XDR, you could get fantastic looking footage very close to native AVC-Intra (albeit a bit inferior)

It uses CCD's, which is a big plus for motion heavy shooters (like me)

EDIT-Ooops, sems like there's a big downer here: the HD-SDI out only outputs 720p... This is a deal breaker.

EDIT AGAIN- Seems like it outputs 1080i from the HD-SDI. That portion in the doc is confusing, because it says it exports Varicam flags in 720 24p, but only in 720p. Don't know what this means for 1080p 24 and 25p...
 
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Noel Evans said:
As I said if its a few thousand less and in EX1 territory, theyll be ok, but its not really on the same par as the 300 (based on specs only).
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I was hoping this JVC camera would come in at around the same price of the HD100, which is about $5,600 (at least when it was new a few years ago it was around this price).

It does look sleeker and sturdier than the HD100. I like the basic layout. Just too much for what you get I think. I could see it being this much if it had larger chips but it's only 1/3.

To put it in perspective for $8,000 you could get:

-- An HMC150 + a 2/3 Scarlet (fixed lens version) + a couple memory cards for each camera = $8,000

-- An HMC150 + a bunch of cheap SDHC cards + 35mm adapter kit & lenses/other accessories = $8,000 (or less depending on what adapter kit, lenses, and odds and ends)

-- Sony EX1 or HPX170 + 35mm adapter kit = $8,000 (maybe a little more)

Of course, with Canon still selling the XL-H1s for nearly $9,000 and the XH-G1 for $7,000... JVC's price for this new camera doesn't seem as bad as I originally thought. I just don't think it is as competitive as it should be, especially with the bad economy, at nearly $8,000. Even if it sells for $7,000 street, that still seems a little steep.

As for comparisons between this JVC camera and the new Panasonic HDX300, once you add the cost of the camera 10K + Batteries + P2 cards, it will end up costing quite a bit more. I'd say they're two all together different beasts, especially with the 300 having AVC-Intra onboard.
 
Wow it has taken my almost 30 days for my HPX170 to become old news and become the; ahhhh look at that cute little camera.

Still thrilled with the purchase and would do it over again at sub 5K, but the Camera Market is really groovin. This is exciting.
 
In todays market, 8K is over priced for this camera. Is the HDSDI output 8bit or true 10bit like the Sony and Pana cams?
 
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but some of the limitations of the CMOS chips are that you cannot shoot in fluorescent light or with HMIs, right? If so, how is that not a deal breaker for anyone not shooting strictly available light? For me the biggest lighting bang for the rental buck are in HMIs and Kino-flos. Any camera that can't handle that is worthless to me and I find it amazing that they have made it this far and seem to becoming the standard of sorts. Again, I have not been folowing the camera development closely so if I'm misinformed I'm sure to get flamed quickly. I can work around the CMOS jello and the shearing during quick pans, but to limit my choices in lighting fixtures... game over.
 
You CAN shoot in fluorescent or HMI, but you have to manage your circumstances. If you're using high-speed fluos or electronic-ballast HMIs, there's no problem. If you're using older magnetic ballast fluos (such as you will encounter in older office buildings, etc) or magnetic HMIs, then you have to manage your shutter speeds to avoid the scrolling bars that will otherwise appear.
 
Just out of curiosity, how many posters in this thread have ever actually owned a JVC professional video product?

Just walk away, I am telling you. From a reliability standpoint, JVC pro video products are not in the same league as Sony and Panasonic, that's all I can tell you. Take it from someone who used to have an entire company with nothing but JVC, walk the other direction.

Dan
 
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