HVX200 vs HMC150 - Whats best for me?

Jan,

what you say about the media price is true for any media so I don't see your point. Whay if I use 10000 times a sd card? P2 cards seem to me shamefully overpriced, especially for cameras which don't even give a full hd resolution image.
 
pietro jona said:
especially for cameras which don't even give a full hd resolution image.
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Like the HPX3000 and HPX3700?

P2 is not overpriced for what it is, and it's having great success in the marketplace. It may be overpriced for what you want, which is why there's such a thing as an HMC150.
 
Right Barry i didn't explain myself. But the thread is about the HVX200 (and the HMC150)..
I find hard to accept the costs of shooting with a 200 considered that THAT camera doesn't offer full hd resolution and decent low light performances. Of course Panasonic has better cameras but not everyone has the money to afford them and many people just want to shoot with a small hand held camera.
The whole problem from my point of view is to see if at Panasonic they have the capabilities of giving us a full resolution hd hand held camera. I suspect they have, but the lack of real competition in the market makes them lazy.
 
I might have some problems in writing in a good english, but now that i re-read my post i can see that I wrote "especially for cameras which don't even give a full hd resolution image". I should probably have written "especially for THOSE cameras which don't even give a full hd resolution image". The ones everyone was talking about in this thread..
 
pietro jona said:
The whole problem from my point of view is to see if at Panasonic they have the capabilities of giving us a full resolution hd hand held camera. I suspect they have, but the lack of real competition in the market makes them lazy.
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Or, it could be that the only way to do "full resolution" HD in a handheld camera is to go CMOS, and not everyone is satisfied that that's the best solution... you can't do "full res" with CCD in a small form factor. It's not possible. In fact, it looks like JVC is now taking the same tactic as Panasonic, using 960x540 sensors. And Sony's been using 960x1080 sensors for years. And Canon uses 1440x1080 sensors.

If you want "full res", that means CMOS, no two ways about it. And that also means that you get all the CMOS issues that come with CMOS.
 
Barry_Green said:
Or, it could be that the only way to do "full resolution" HD in a handheld camera is to go CMOS, and not everyone is satisfied that that's the best solution... you can't do "full res" with CCD in a small form factor. It's not possible. In fact, it looks like JVC is now taking the same tactic as Panasonic, using 960x540 sensors. And Sony's been using 960x1080 sensors for years. And Canon uses 1440x1080 sensors.

If you want "full res", that means CMOS, no two ways about it. And that also means that you get all the CMOS issues that come with CMOS.
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Hey Barry,

I remember reading your article of CMOS vs CCD. The rolling shutter problem can be solved if that camera has a global shutter correct? I'm gonna read it again to just make sure.
 
A global shutter eliminates the rolling shutter problems, yes, but it introduces its own. It drives up the cost, and it cuts sensitivity.

There is, once again, no free lunch.
 
Justyn said:
no more comments? I shot again the other day with the HVX and the footage was glaringing in favor of the 150. The client actually thought that the footage from the 150 was the HVX stuff and said to put the new cheap camera away. He was shoked when I told him the footage that he liked was the 150.. so after that the HVX stayed in the bag the entire remainder of the shoot.


To my eyes, it produces a nicer image than the original HVX, and has such a nicer LCD than the 200a and just feels better to shoot. I'm not looking to flame this out, but the 150 wasn't a choice that was made by just economic considerations... as it was done more for the final aethetics. It's a kickass cam and for longform shooting, it really rocks. I'm on another shoot in two weeks that's a 150 shoot because it's 10 hours of shooting per day. That would require quite a bit of work with the HVX.. but with the 150, it's 3 or 4 cards that total out to be about 250 bucks. 250 bucks in P2 would get you one used 4 gig card....
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Justyn,

PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS ROLLING... I appreciate all comments on the thread but more importantly appreciate inputs based upon people actual working in real productions and making money. We can "slice" and "dice" all day long about the pros and cons of different cameras but its the business side that actually factors in the buying decision of those in business.

Even though your decision is complete we appreciate you sharing your combined business and technical experiences.

-- Skip
 
Hi,

The problem here is that we are comparing the HVX200 to the HMC150. If it were the HVX200A to the HMC150, it would help in a today situation, unless you are buying a used HVX200. So kee that in the framework of the commentary here.

Best,

Jan
 
Ok, so I was set on the HMC150. Overall, it would work out better for most of what I do and you can't beat having a shiny new product and a fancy warranty to go along with it.

But now with the recent hike in price of the HMC150, coupled with the fact I just watched an (what looked like good condition) HVX go on ebay for $2500 (without cards), I'm having second thoughts.

What I've been wanting to do is "trade" my two DVXs in for one good camera that will last me for the next few years. I believe that HMC150 would easily do this, but It's looking like I would have to put up an extra $1,000 to get one. On the other hand, I could get an HVX for $2500 (or so) but it's doubtful that I would have any P2 cards to record to.

So, here I am again. Sell two DVXs for (I'm estimating) $2500 (any input on what I could get for two DVXs would be appriciated) and get a used HVX200 and shoot tape until I could afford P2 cards

OR

Sell two DVXs and drop an extra grand (that I don't have) on an HMC150, shoot hi-def and do away with tape once and for all (I hate that phrase, I always yell at my TV when someone says it in a show).

Thanks everyone! I've got alot of great information from this thread already.
 
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