Will 24p die with the death of film?

mrbrycel

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Yesterday, my teacher disappointingly told me that in my Film Career, I will not be shooting on film. It's something that I think I knew, but didn't quite want to accept.

He said within the next 10 years, motion picture film will be exactly like still film is now. Left to the independent artists, while the actual business is completely digital. I still shoot all my photography on film (hobby), and really dislike digital SLRs, but I know if I ever wanted to be a professional photographer, I'd have to go digital.

I really hope to shoot projects on film in my lifetime, but i'd have to agree with my teacher and say that any of my future film projects will be coming out of my own pocket, just like my still film does.

I, like many others, love the look of 24p, whether film or digital. Its look, strobe, and imperfections really enhance stories for me. This could be because I'm so used to it, but I think the reason is that our minds and imaginations when we read a story are not nearly as perfect as what our eyes capture. When I see 60i/60p, I really just feel like I'm watching TV, or watching a live event before my eyes. Not imagining a story in my mind.

I have to remind myself that this is a business, and that us creative artists aren't the ones the film industry makes its money off of. But I really hope that when movie theaters are dead, movies/commercials are never shot on film, and everyone watches movies opening day on a home screen, that they are at least still shot in 24p.
 
film wont die period. Its too good of an acquisition medium. even if Digital gets "there", film still will look like film, and when a project calls for it, it will be used.
 
I agree, I t wont die. As long as there are big budgets out there, film will live. Everyone said vinyl records would die out, but the diehards still use them. Will be the same wit film.
 
Count on film being around at least as long as Speilberg is ;) Nah it's not going anywhere. Digital is all well and good but film will always be there.
 
But I really hope that when movie theaters are dead, movies/commercials are never shot on film, and everyone watches movies opening day on a home screen, that they are at least still shot in 24p.

Just for the record (watching at home on screens) would totally blow. There is an esthetic in a movie theater a home TV can never replicate.
 
I, like many others, love the look of 24p, whether film or digital. Its look, strobe, and imperfections really enhance stories for me. This could be because I'm so used to it, but I think the reason is that our minds and imaginations when we read a story are not nearly as perfect as what our eyes capture. When I see 60i/60p, I really just feel like I'm watching TV, or watching a live event before my eyes. Not imagining a story in my mind.

This being the case, and considering the legions who agree with you, why do you think 24p would "die" even if film does?
 
well no doubt film will indeed go away but our preference for viewing will always be 24 as a result of how we have watched movies since the 20s.
We spend lots of time and money today making flat video look like film. Film looks have only gotten easier and better. Quality will only get better. Film pegged out a long time ago... hence the evolution.
 
Film won't die, it simply won't be as widely used. And will probably be around as a delivery format as I don't see theaters rushing to go digital. Digital theaters opens doors to too much competition so staying with film is probably the smart idea for HWood. Too bad though. But I think 24p is here to stay.

-Nate
 
strange, when I joined DVXuser I thought I loved the look of film, but now for some reason I now love the look of crystal clear & zero noise and pin sharp HD images (2/3" and larger sensors), film looks kind of "unstable".

Anhar
 
strange, when I joined DVXuser I thought I loved the look of film, but now for some reason I now love the look of crystal clear & zero noise and pin sharp HD images (2/3" and larger sensors), film looks kind of "unstable".

Anhar
I'd have to agree with this. I am starting to wonder what all the fuss was about in regards to the "film'look." I think "Slumdog Millionaire" clinched that for me. 2/3rds is fine enough for me also. At some point I think we will all get over the film=look just like us audiophiles got over plastic records to fully digital (though there is that inherent warmth in analog that I still like). But 24p...let's put it this way...I don't agree with James Cameron's idea of going to 48 fps.
 
any motion picture format (16mm, 35mm, HD, SD, minidv, 4K, etc) simply looks more cinematic @ 24 frames a second. PERIOD.

resolution and grain and noise and all that stuff is another debate....

but if you are making cinematic motion picture content, IHMO (of course) you need to be shooting at 24p

its the perfect balance between reality and non-reality

I love HD, film, 4K, 8mm.... sh*t man.... I love it all.... and I think other frame rates are good for a lot of different applications.... but based on a purely cinematic/suspension of disbelief type o' thingy, 24p does it for me
 
echo Hoof, and very eloquent :-) seriously...why is this being brought up?...someone's jumping the gun here. i still shoot hdv proudly...and that will surely die before 24p...and since both will be around for a long time from now, let's just enjoy what we have now instead of jumping ship to every cool idea that comes out. what will be will be. we'll live. and film will too.

Chris
-KnightOnTheTownFilms-
www.vimeo.com/chrislight
 
Wouldn't it be much harder to record audio if you ran film at 48fps? Those cameras get pretty loud at the higher frame rates. It would be back to the days of big bulbous barneys and movies entirely ADR'd. Yuck. But the motion would be smooth as glass. :)

James Cameron must be working for Kodak or something...

Just as many recording studios still track to 2" tape before going into the digital domain, I agree that film is a great aquisition and viewing format. Long live film!
 
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