Playing with D90 - a quick video, mostly shallow DOF outdoors

what does that mean? both you and the ubiquitous estebeverde seem to do it all the time. is it some kind of internet lingo i have missed? if you have a question just ask it.

/matt
 
it can mean a dozen things. my guess is you either don't understand what i said, or you don't know what i mean, or you don't agree, either seems as likely since i've no idea what's going on inside your head.

/matt
 
so, what i said is that there are many film look filters and none of them really manage to create the softer and smoother look of film. agreed, right?

what i meant is that the problem of smoothing 5d video to match the natural film look of the d90 is a similar one, know what i'm saying?

now, what is it that you don't agree with? :-)
 
Don't worry. We don't have to keep going on and on discussing the merits and shorcomings of either one. This is only the beginning of a new approach to filmaking. I am 100% percent for it. These are only first generation cameras doing what they do as much as they can. In a not so distant future this discussions will be obsolete as the newer versions will offer everything we are hoping for. Then we will ask for more of course. Keep it up.
 
agreed, but i still think it's interesting to notice the differences and discuss them. the 5d video looks like video to me, and it's not just frame rate, great video but still. i'm also looking forward to the first camera that combines all the good qualities, along with at least *some* manual control.

/matt
 
I think the D90 gives a lot more filmic images. The 5D is really video style. I pretty much think Mattsand hit the nail on its head. The 5D colors are really video looking, not just the frame rate, and the low light abilities of the 5D are great, but the colors you get suck with the camera. The D90 looks way nicer. It isn't just the horsepower that I'm talking about, but the way the camera's electronics reproduce the image. The D90 is cheaper, and has a nicer, more pleasing image. I was going to get the 5D but after reviewing all of the footage on line, I noticed that the D90 looks like a nice HD camera with an outstanding 35 mm. adaptor that doesn't vignette.
The 5D looks like straight video camera with nice DOF. The feel is WAY different, and I don't like it as much.
Sure the 2 can be compared, and they should. By the way, I've seen some of my footage from the D90 on a huge movie theater screen and it looks better than on a computer in HD.
 
Rick Horton said:
By the way, I've seen some of my footage from the D90 on a huge movie theater screen and it looks better than on a computer in HD.
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cool, did you get a chance to compare it to something? i have too but projected with a normal hd projector, which sort of hides the imperfections, i'd love to see some projected with a real digital cinema projector or even better blown up to 35mm. i'm working on getting some tests of the latter made, but it takes time to convince people.

/matt
 
mattsand said:
not really, as the thousands of film look filters around have proved by failing. and yes, i'd like to do most my projects that way, just as i never really used video except for documentary work. many video cameras produce results that are sharper than 16mm but the latter always looks much better in my opinion.

/matt
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Personally I don't get the obsession with sharpness, a lot of really good film is soft. Lets face it most of us didn't come out of the birth canal looking like a supermodel and we're not very pretty filmed in HD. HD requires really good lighting and really good makeup. This is why the D90 looks better than the 5D shooting people. If the D90 was SD I'd still use it for my feature. I don't care about sharpness as much as I care about shallow dof, low light performance, and color rendition.
 
I'm wondering if having a "cleaner" codec on the D90 might remove the film look. Could it be the actual compression and all its shortcomings that give such a nice film look? I'm talking about the times when the composition of the image is favorable to the compression's algorithm, creating less artifacts.
 
mattsand said:
cool, did you get a chance to compare it to something? i have too but projected with a normal hd projector, which sort of hides the imperfections, i'd love to see some projected with a real digital cinema projector or even better blown up to 35mm. i'm working on getting some tests of the latter made, but it takes time to convince people.

/matt
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See if there is an independent art cinema that will let you test out some footage on their digital projector. Usually independent art cinemas are really supportive of the arts. I used to work at one, and I know the one I worked at would say 'no problem'.
 
mattsand said:
cool, did you get a chance to compare it to something? i have too but projected with a normal hd projector, which sort of hides the imperfections, i'd love to see some projected with a real digital cinema projector or even better blown up to 35mm. i'm working on getting some tests of the latter made, but it takes time to convince people.

/matt
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Not really.

It just takes $
 
Yeah, we do all have our particular tastes and "genres".

To me, what the D90 excels at, is simple, personal, provocative images. Because of the rolling shutter issues, the camera has to be thought out in advance. It has the potential to produce something fairly intimate and filmic. To me, that means, subtle...dare I say it art house. To each their own. The camera is quite nice never-the-less.
 
Remember my words, very few if any serious projects will be done with the D90. Especially if there really is a D400 with superior video capabilities coming out soon. Sharpness is the least of the worries with the D90. And to those who say film is soft you better pay more attention next time you watch a movie shot in film because most of the time the images are extremely sharp, usually with a shallow DOP. The overall image in the D90 suffers with wobbling at one point or another. Also the stair steppnig effect requires a very time consuming process in post production to yield a better final product. The D90 is a great camera to get your feet wet for the future. But unfortunately it is not the future yet.
 
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