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why bad movies still being made?
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alex whitmer
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Sorry David. My bad.
So, who here feels box office success is an indicator of good film? I sure don't.
Some films have all the right bells and whistles to make it commercially viable, but really falls short on story or any real depth.
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So, who here feels box office success is an indicator of good film? I sure don't.
Some films have all the right bells and whistles to make it commercially viable, but really falls short on story or any real depth.
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Thanks. The topic had already slid way passed the slippery slope, crashed through the guard rail and was free falling.
Always a tough one. Isn't there some sorta metric that factors box office and critical acclaim and longevity?
Well what are you waiting for? Get on it and report back to me. Sheesh. Can't get good help these days. Kids...
You guys are making excellent points, all while missing the point.
Not to try to get into the discussion, but... there is no possible way to quantify perceived quality of a film without being able to nail down the inner workings of humanity's perception... a single human's perception would be impossible enough to get us to give up on this matter, and it even changes every nanosecond as you grow and as the breeze blows. Once you can go to a shrink and get some actual results, every time, then we might be able to give this a less than half assed go.
The only thing you can do is hand in a questionnaire to everyone on the way out, and do your best to get a sample that could at best horribly represent humanity at a given point in time... There are a ton of people that simply wouldn't go to movies even if you payed them, so you are leaving those out right off the bat.
Art is merely a gesture of surrender, and not to be mixed up with business. Business on the other hand IS the box office and just to ratify, NOT to be mixed up with art.
So I think I was right all along:
Very interesting to read all of your posts though!
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Not to try to get into the discussion, but... there is no possible way to quantify perceived quality of a film without being able to nail down the inner workings of humanity's perception... a single human's perception would be impossible enough to get us to give up on this matter, and it even changes every nanosecond as you grow and as the breeze blows. Once you can go to a shrink and get some actual results, every time, then we might be able to give this a less than half assed go.
The only thing you can do is hand in a questionnaire to everyone on the way out, and do your best to get a sample that could at best horribly represent humanity at a given point in time... There are a ton of people that simply wouldn't go to movies even if you payed them, so you are leaving those out right off the bat.
Art is merely a gesture of surrender, and not to be mixed up with business. Business on the other hand IS the box office and just to ratify, NOT to be mixed up with art.
So I think I was right all along:
Very interesting to read all of your posts though!
:beer:
Everyone still rents Max Payne and then complains how bad it is. It will probably still make money in the end, because we all hope it's okay, despite 1000 reviews that it's atrocious. I hear the Spirit is really, really bad. How many of us will rent it at some point? A lot if not all of us, I bet.
It just tells me that there is not the "glut" of content everyone is claiming there to be. We're desperate for more good stuff, and will keep watching bad stuff hoping it will be good.
It just tells me that there is not the "glut" of content everyone is claiming there to be. We're desperate for more good stuff, and will keep watching bad stuff hoping it will be good.
the problem is that nothing is good, studios are making more and more movies yet it keeps getting harder to find anything to watch, were are the good stuff, if everything is bad how can you choose a movie,
max payne had a story, it was even storyboard-ed, and they messed it up, that was an incredible achievement from the studios, they out did them selves with that one really, but you can't deny that you will actually find movies if you can call them that like shrek the third, transformers and spiderman 3 on top of the all time growth movies(these movies wont even be watchable a few years ago), you will find really bad movies every week in the box office and people read the bad reviews and choose the worst movies to see and complaint about them, they see a bad trailer of one of the disaster movies or pineapple express or the spirit or indiana and go wow, a movie can't be that bad, then watch a movie for the soul purpose of going out of the movie and saying the movie was not as bad as the review or the trailer was then start complaining about how bad the movie really was.
plus some people already lowered there standards and would watch anything.
max payne had a story, it was even storyboard-ed, and they messed it up, that was an incredible achievement from the studios, they out did them selves with that one really, but you can't deny that you will actually find movies if you can call them that like shrek the third, transformers and spiderman 3 on top of the all time growth movies(these movies wont even be watchable a few years ago), you will find really bad movies every week in the box office and people read the bad reviews and choose the worst movies to see and complaint about them, they see a bad trailer of one of the disaster movies or pineapple express or the spirit or indiana and go wow, a movie can't be that bad, then watch a movie for the soul purpose of going out of the movie and saying the movie was not as bad as the review or the trailer was then start complaining about how bad the movie really was.
plus some people already lowered there standards and would watch anything.
"Bad" isn't necessarily non-entertaining.
Zak Forsman
Major Contributor
i saw plenty of good and entertaining movies this year. the major studios were responsible for maybe two of them.
maybe to some people watching a bad movie to laugh at entertaining, not my cup of tea, i would rather laugh with the movie than at the movie.
i remember when comedy was funny, that was entertaining to me, i miss that.:crybaby:
i also remember when drama was good, i miss that too.:crybaby:
i also remember a time were you would sit down to watch a movie or a sitcom, that was easy, you could pick blindly and not be disappointed and that was a few years ago.
Not what I mean.
CallaghanFilms
Veteran
Yes, but...
In years past, those "bad" films were called "guilty pleasures". Then there were also plenty of good and great films to offset them (which, by contrast, I guess were "innocent pleasures"?)
Plan Nine from Outer Space is probably the best example of a film that is in virtually every conceivable way clumsy, hackneyed, technically, cinematographically and editorially incompetent, so badly written and acted that "writing" and "acting" are barely the proper words, to use...
...but at the same time, it's funny and entertaining to watch, just because it somehow manages to be weirdly engaging, while being so horrendously awful. Its continued cult following suggests that to some degree, 'bad' can be very 'entertaining.'