America the Beautiful

roberts321

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With this thread I will keep you posted with the self-distribution strategies for my documentary "America the Beautiful." I've figured out a way where we're actually making money in theatres. I'm going to post the last comments that I made from another thread. I will keep you posted!


Hey Chip,

How do you start a new thread? I've been reading the site for 2 years, but don't know how to do the fun stuff. I'll start a new thread. You will be amazed at how inept these studios are.

My core team were most of the editing and producing principals from "Fahrenheit 9/11, Bowling for Columbine and Supersize Me." After hearing tons of distribution stories from them I swore I wasn't going to let a distrib ruin my film. I would try to get one, but if it didn't look kosher, I'd bail and do it myself.

My first foree (is that how you spell it?) with a producers rep and distributor was and I quote - "There's no market for your film because you're Black. Blacks don't go to see documentaries and Whites won't go because you're Black.....Hmmmmmm!

Needless to say that my first film festival which was AFI Dallas, sold out 4 shows and 99% of the audience was white. We won Best Director in the Documentary Competition at the Chicago International Film Festival. Steve James the director of Hoop Dreams was the head of the jury and all 3 screenings were sold out. 98% attendance by Whites. This was my first hint that the Hollywood guys were clueless and it's been substantiated. My audience for the film nationwide is 95% White and we screened in Vienne, Austria 3 weeks ago and the audience was 100% White.

I was told the film had 0% foreign potential and guess what, early next year we're screening in Switzerland, Italy and Germany. I just picked up a foreign sales rep that's launching the film at Berlin this year and he thinks we're going to have massive pre-sales.

I had a MAJOR hollywood publicist tell me that the press won't interview directors anymore. They went on to tell me how recently they repped Jonathan Demme and Neil LaBute and they couldn't get any press. I said really?

Well in the 30 days following that statement, I was on The Today Show, CNN News and Good Morning America along with 75 other TV and radio interviews across the country:

See here -

Today Show:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540...66129#25966129

CNN News:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/liv...ef=videosearch

Roger Ebert article:
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/...OPLE/840428890

PBS Chicago – “Chicago Tonight”
http://www.wttw.com/main.taf?p=42,8,...2n/051508d.flv

ABC Los Angeles News:
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/media?id=6338789

Good Morning America Now:
http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=5530052

Recently the Oprah Show, Ellen Degeneres, Dr. Phil and the Tyra Banks Show have called to say they've heard about the film and let's see if we can work you into the show.

Bottom line - The industry's way of thinking is very old. You have to believe in yourself and put it down. My belief and I really believe this is if you make a good movie that people want to see and if you devise a strategy to let them know about it. They will come.

I've even been offered a major deal from a publisher to write a book about the making of this movie.

Not to mention the call I got from Fox Television about possibly doing a 13 week show.

In my opinion, all of this is a product of my hybrid marketing/ distribution model. It's kind of hardcore, but it's working for me.

One of the distributors on my film used to be the president of distribution for a major studio. I can tell you point blank that if you have the moxy to make a movie, then with the right techniques, you are uniquely qualified to market and sell you movie.

Case in point. I had a friend of mine that made a movie called "All about You." Every distributor turned him down and told him his movie had no potential. I saw the movie and told him nonsense. I challenged him to put up $12,000 and release his film in Chicago. (I lived there and it would be easier for me to spend the time on it). Long story short, he released the film at the Museum of Science and Industry and left Chicago 2 weeks later with $50,000.

The moral to the story is the independent movement is up to us and I think we're ready for the challenge.

Once again, please forgive my disjointed writing. I write how I think, which probably isn't good, but it would take me a while to reformat this and make it rocking reading.
 
My first foree (is that how you spell it?) with a producers rep and distributor was and I quote - "There's no market for your film because you're Black. Blacks don't go to see documentaries and Whites won't go because you're Black.....Hmmmmmm!

Needless to say that my first film festival which was AFI Dallas, sold out 4 shows and 99% of the audience was white.

interesting viewpoint from distribs "Whites won't go because you're black"

is the year 1950 or 2008?
 
Hey Roberts321,

Really glad your sharing your experiences with 'America The Beautiful' with the rest of us on the dvxuser forum.

We will all benefit from your information, and will definitely encourage those of us who will be following in your footsteps. Being told consistently by 'the Business' that you can't do this and you won't do that and then succeeding despite their claims proves that some people don't have a clue what's going on.

I'm glad to see the word 'Indie' shine so bright as it does with your project.

Todd

btw, it was a pleasure dealing with you as well. The indie film community is small and supportive and it's been wonderful to me with the people i've 'met'.
 
I think your movie is very exciting. I liked the trailer very much. I can see why it's attracting audiences all over the world. It's funny and life-saving.

My movie Felliniesque Players also is very entertaining. http://www.felliniesque.com I'm seriously considering four-walling it in a few months. I need to learn everything I can from your experience.

I'm very appreciative for what you're doing.
 
Just going to join the chorus of thanks for showing up here and sharing your experiences with us. Many of us are embarking on the same journey and your generosity is much appreciated.
 
Hey Robert

Could you post a quick summary of the production process, what kind of a film we're talking about, etc.? I understand this may have been covered elsewhere, but I haven't come across it, and just for the sake of coherency it might be nice to have the info here.
 
Thanks for starting this thread, Roberts321.

After following the link that you had left in the Corrado thread, I was really genuinely intrigued by your film. Looking forward to seeing it.

Also, it's inspiring that you've taken the bull by the horns and are developing your own SUCCESSFUL marketing strategy to get the film seen and recoup your cost$.

This will be a popular thread and a much emulated strategy.

Thank you.
 
Robert

Looks very interesting and inspiring, Thanks for sharing your process. I am really looking forward to the details.
 
roberts321... See here - Today Show: [url said:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540...66129#25966129[/url]

CNN News:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/liv...ef=videosearch

Roger Ebert article:
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/...OPLE/840428890

PBS Chicago – “Chicago Tonight”
http://www.wttw.com/main.taf?p=42,8,...2n/051508d.flv

ABC Los Angeles News:
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/media?id=6338789

Good Morning America Now:
http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=5530052

...
Is it me, or do none of these links work?:huh:

Also...
Was this carried over from another thread? If so, where is said thread?:huh:
 
Hello everyone,

Thanks for stopping by. I've digested what I've committed to here and decided that maybe the best way to approach this is to start from scratch from the beginning of the distribution process and move forward from there. In pieces of course.

You're right Callaghan, I clicked on the Today Show link and it didn't work. Maybe when I copied it from the Corrado forum to here, something technical happened.

"America the Beautiful," is feature link documentary that took me 5 brutal years to complete. Brutal because the process of editing 900 hours of footage down to an hour and 44 minutes is a logistical nightmare.

I shot the film with the DVX-100A. I used Final Cut Pro to edit. I must say here that one of my editors was the editor for "Fahrenheit 9/11 and Bowling for Columbine," and he insisted that we use Avid. I didn't listen and I can attest to the fact that even though I love FCP, sometimes it was a monster to get the film out of the box.

After playing 20 film festivals, where we won 4 awards, I decided on a theatrical release. I knew I was doing it whether I was able to get a company to do it or whether I did it myself. I ended up having the luxury of both. It is the comparison of these 2 VERY DIFFERENT ideologies where you'll really learn a valuable lesson (through my experiences) in film marketing.

Because I decided to do a theatrical release, I blew the film up to 35mm. This was at a cost of $29K at Foto-Kem in Burbank. I ended up with 7 prints.

To vouch for what Adam said with Corrado, having a name does open a lot of doors. I have Jessica Simpson and Paris Hilton in my doc. Jessica Simpson is in it for 9 seconds and Paris Hilton is in it for 30 seconds. This is where I must stress, that there are only a handful of people in the movie industry that can guarantee distribution. Jessica Simpson isn't one of them. Paris Hilton isn't one of them. Neither is Tom Sizemore.

So if you're putting people like this in the film with the belief that their presence alone will get you distribution. You're dead. That being said, there is a way to use them being in the film that will supplement a carefully devised marketing strategy. I will go into that in great detail in future post, because it is critical for our survival as independent filmmakers.

After doing 20 film festivals, including Maui, Chicago, St. Louis, AFI Dallas, etc. and talking to countless filmmakers, I'm come to the conclusion that what is stopping most of us from having some modicum of success is a lack of knowledge surrounding marketing and distribution. My background is in marketing and I've aproached filmmaking as a marketing a distribution medium. That kind of sucks because it's supposed to be about the art. At these film festivals, I've seen cats that blow me through the door as far as how good their films are, but you will never see them because of my reasoning above.

So, I'm always striving to be better with my craft and I will get better and better with each project, but I know for a fact, in today's climate, if you don't understand film marketing and distribution and I mean really understand it, then 95 out of every 100 independent films will never be seen.

That being said, the strategies that I've devised over the last 7 months are mine and mine alone and may not work for everyone, but I assure you they will work for some, especially if you modify the concepts to fit your film.

This way of marketing saved me big time. I have a small doc that was panned by the NY Times and LA Times, which normally would mean that you're dead on arrival. I conservatively expect to bring in $2 Mil in gross receipts from the doc.

So strap yourselves in and I will step by step take you on the ride of "America the Beautiful"
 
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interesting viewpoint from distribs "Whites won't go because you're black"

is the year 1950 or 2008?

1950. This is very common. It's also common to say black people don't sale overseas. Will Smith and 50 Cent seem to do fine. I don't understand why these lies are still pushed.

I know a black horror writer who pitched to a group of white "greenlighters" and they told him black people didn't buy this type of film. It seems we are not into sci-fi, horror or anything else that isn't rap or black drama or comedy. My question is what about all the black geeks like me that love ninja films, superhero movies, some horror flicks and many other things.

But on the flipside, Will Smith, Ice Cube, Wesley Snipes and many others are break out black talent marketed to everyone. So the belief that "White people" don't go see things because of the black faces can easily be disproven by films like Hancock, The Matrix and Blade (huge hits) and many others. The lie is told as some kind of control mechanism that I don't understand.

Also when TV stations want to start up they put on tons of black and Hispanic shows. Then a white audience starts watching too. Then they drop the black shows and start putting all white shows on the network. FOX did it first (anyone remember the wildly popular "New York Undercover"? The first police drama with an African American and a Hispanic lead?) then The WB did it with a bunch of black comedies then replaced this with ALL white shows. UPN was nice enough to keep some of their black shows which went over to the CW (which is UPN and WB).

Thanks for stopping by. I've digested what I've committed to here and decided that maybe the best way to approach this is to start from scratch from the beginning of the distribution process and move forward from there. In pieces of course.

DUDE!!! WAITAMINUTE!!!! YOU'RE THE "AMERICAN THE BEAUTIFUL" GUY!!!! I didn't put it together until I saw the thing on MSNBC. I've heard so much about you. One of my actresses was going to do a voiceover for your film but it fell through. But she couldn't stop talking about how much she loved the concept and how awesome she thought you were! OMG! And I just spoke to her tonight after not speaking for quite awhile. This is sweet!

-Nate
 
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DUDE!!! WAITAMINUTE!!!! YOU'RE THE "AMERICAN THE BEAUTIFUL" GUY!!!! I didn't put it together until I saw the thing on MSNBC. I've heard so much about you. One of my actresses was going to do a voiceover for your film but it fell through. But she couldn't stop talking about how much she loved the concept and how awesome she thought you were! OMG! And I just spoke to her tonight after not speaking for quite awhile. This is sweet!

-Nate

lol, uh, no that's the original poster of the thread not me. :beer:
 
lol, uh, no that's the original poster of the thread not me. :beer:

I know. I just tagged that on after I responded to you. :) Also I just noticed I said a lot more but apparently double posted my message to you over my message to Roberts321. That sucks. I'm going to fix that now.

-Nate
 
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