Hmc150 vs ex1

jeff9329 said:
Lately I have been making DRS or Knee adjustments (either low or auto) and master pedestal before my outside bright light shots when time permits. It really seems to be able to preserve more detail for some reason when you do this. I also hate blown highlights. However, it's a PITA to do this.
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That's what the scene file dial is for though. Set up two identical scene files, one for indoors and one for outdoors. Then just flip the dial from F1 to F2 or whatever. Instantaneous, no pain, and you get the best results in each environment.
 
I just shot something tonight that's going to blow your friggin socks off. I'll post a 10 second high res quicktime file tomorrow night when I get some of the footage posted. It looks sick.. and here's the funny thing.

My beloved HVX was too slow to get the visual effect we were going for so yet again it stayed in the bag.. No doubt it's an improvement over the original one.. now i'd like to see how it does against the 170.


I too agree that I am not the biggest fan of the overal EX1 image. Saw some more footage and it maybe sharper but that's not the end all be all of a moviing image.
 
Personally I'm getting a lot of joy out of the F4 "B-STR" preset because it's nice & bright for indoor shooting but I'm still experimenting. Although I haven't had the time to experiment with the DRS setting, it would be good to get some scene file recipes going on with explanation as to the best shooting environment for each setting - like in Barry G's DVX book.
 
Evro said:
Personally I'm getting a lot of joy out of the F4 "B-STR" preset because it's nice & bright for indoor shooting but I'm still experimenting. Although I haven't had the time to experiment with the DRS setting, it would be good to get some scene file recipes going on with explanation as to the best shooting environment for each setting - like in Barry G's DVX book.
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When you really get into using the settings, you will usually get quite a bit better results. In some lighting, the results are far better after tweaking. OTOH, some of the controls have very little effect at either end of the range.

IMO, all the factory presets were just more or less demonstration settings. I didn't like shooting with any of them at all. Part of that was coming from a Canon A1 which has a totally different look. All 6 of the factory settings are long ago edited from factory on my camera. I still end up tweaking master ped when my monitor is around. It's not possible to make adjustments without a monitor IMO, at least with my eyes.

Im hoping that Barry will put some scene file settings in the HMC-150 book.

If anyone has any good snow shooting scene files, please post.
 
PerroneFord said:
. . . My FigRig is my new handheld and man do I like that thing.
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I'll give a BIG 10-4 on that fig rig :) We love it and use it a lot along with our poor man's version of the shoulder mount for under 50 bux and between the two have almost tripod scenes . .certainly not steady cam . . but not far off that's for sure.

On the vote thing here, I'd go other options for a number of reasons:

- i like tape back up and neither has that
- both cameras are high priced for what they offer
- all of the current hd cameras in the hand of a good user make awesome video

on this last point about 90+% of the viewing public cannot tell the difference and won't until hd moves up to the next level but by then all the current cameras will be bye bye like sd 10 to 18 months.

BUT, if i HAD to take one over the other as the voting is going, then it would be the definately be the hmc150 strickly because of cost.
 
Hi Justyn,

I saw your hmc150 footage. Can you post something with better optimized compression. The spot lights on the dancers seem to have macro blocks or noise. I am looking at the hmc150 for my new camera. Thanks!

Skipioafricanus
 
I got the HMC150 due to cost considerations. This cam was bought to earn me some money. I want it to have paid for itself pronto. So yes, cost was a factor.

But really, I was also concerned with the MPEG2 codec that EX-1 uses. In my humble estimation, for sports work, the HMC150's AVCHD codec seemed more advantageous.
Cost--of cam and MEDIA.... and codec. The cheap cost and high quality recordings made possible by gthe HMC150 were just too much to resist. And size, too, now that I think of it.
 
sewolla said:
I got the HMC150 due to cost considerations. This cam was bought to earn me some money. I want it to have paid for itself pronto. So yes, cost was a factor.

But really, I was also concerned with the MPEG2 codec that EX-1 uses. In my humble estimation, for sports work, the HMC150's AVCHD codec seemed more advantageous.
Cost--of cam and MEDIA.... and codec. The cheap cost and high quality recordings made possible by gthe HMC150 were just too much to resist. And size, too, now that I think of it.
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Media costs are a wash. The EX1 and HMC150 both can shoot to SDHC. The Mpeg2 codec of the EX1 can be problematic under some conditions. But there are many many factors that move the EX1 out of the HMC's league. Frame rates being one, SDI port being another.

For many shooters, I suspect this won't be much of a concern, and the HMC becomes the clear winner. Especially handheld.

I spent some time this weekend working with some AVCHD 1080p footage and MAN is that stuff painful on hte timeline. And I am running a dual core machine and 64bit OS. A quadcore would reduce the pain to tolerable levels, but dang.

Anyway, the HMC is a nice choice and a camera I was certainly interested in, but it came to market a bit too late for me to consider.
 
Media costs aside, the EX1 is still almost double the price and you get what you pay for. Furthermore, if you don't like something you'll always faults with it or reasons not to like it ;-)

At the end of the day all that matters is that you're happy with your purchase :)
 
You are even seeing the 150 used on jobs that normally might have been HVX or EX1 domain. My buddy is working on one tomorrow that's using the 150.


After shooting with it for a while now. I see 10x more positives than negatives and at the pricepoint you can get two of them. Having two cameras gives so many more options than one higher priced one.
 
Justyn said:
Here's the hi-res file I uploaded... some selects from my Christmas shoot:

http://www.electriccowtheater.com/NWC/NWC150t.mov
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nice footage Justyn... I really like the vibrant colors in the fans that the dancers are waving. The lighting of the scene is great. I take this is a christmas theme with the thorns... It was tough looking at the beautiful dancers than having to look at those sharp thorns? OUCH! Is beauty suppose to be so painful? :)
 
Well it's theological and also supposed to show the great joy and the pain of JC himself... We kind of have an interesting church... I'll post some 720 stuff when I get the time...

cheers and just loving this camera.... for everything that the HVX is not
 
Justyn: Very nice video

I am heading toward purchasing an HMC-150 after the first of the year. I don't think I'll be able to stretch my budget for the EX1, although I'd like to have it.

Anyone had any problems with drop outs occurring during long clips with the HMC-150? I've read a few posts stating that some have lost some frames over long clips or had gaps in their footage, although I'm hearing that it only tends to happen when using the very low end SDHC cards.

I'm shooting a lot of classroom stuff where I sometimes have 1 hr long clips and it needs to be somewhat reliable at capturing them. Any problems from the HMC-150 in this regard? Have any of you experienced this or have your long clips been just fine?
 
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