RANT: Bad Directors, Bad movies, Big Egos

jls4

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Forgive me for being impulsive, but the board is kind of slow today so I figured I'd get a Rant off my chest that I've been holding back for a while.

Why Do Bad Directors Who Make Bad Movies Have Huge Egos?

I mean I've seen so many indie movies made from $0 to $200K where the movie sucks. I mean it's more than bad. It's horrid. Everything from bad acting to bad lighting to bad camera work to bad editing to bad script to bad direction. You walk away and the only good thing you can say is that the movie only lasted 85 minutes. Is it just me?

I wouldn't be so upset with these people if they either.

A. Knew it was bad, but used it as motivation to get better
B. It was their first movie
C. Had monumental production problems

But what gets me is that once this bad movie is made, then all of a sudden they have this huge ego. Now they think their somebody and NO-one should tell them otherwise. They are God among Men. They complain that Hollywood is trying to keep them out - it's hard for the indie filmmaker - I can't get enough money - blah blah blah.

And while many of these statements are true, for them they are just excuses. I mean I just watched two trailers from a guy online (trust me not worth your time to look up). He's been doing movies for - Oh? 20 years. He just distributed his first movie in 1999 and it took him 7 years to get that. All of his movies look the same with the same bad acting (although different people) bad story and writing - horrid cinematography and you have to strain to hear what's being said.

Now in defense, my first movie was so bad my dad and sister wouldn't watch it. I was hurt, but it was a wakeup call. My second movie was watchable, but still had huge amounts of audio and lighting problems. My third is finally watchable and enjoyable. Sure it took me 3 movies well with some it only takes one. I didn't have the background in movies/shorts as others did.

But my point is after 2 movies I at least figured out 80% of what I was doing wrong. Some of these guys are on their 7th movie and it still has the same bad elements that the first one has. I mean does it take a College Degree to figure out that your work doesn't look anything like the work professonals do? I mean what does it take to get people to go out on the Internet and read a 3 point lighting tutorial. I mean look up "tutorial movie lighting" in google and you'll find all you want.

The equivalent to this mentaility is like driving a car and every time you're behind the wheel you get into an accident. I mean maybe not everyday, but let's say once every 6 months. Any smart insurance company would drop you because you can't drive - you need to learn how! I've been in 1 real accident, and bumped from behind by other drivers at least 3 times, but still in all my years of driving that gives me what .25 accidents a year! My wife's more like .1 accident a year!

I guess this is okay given the fact that when "the media" uses terms like 15,000 indie movies made in a year - fortunately for most of us, our competition are these indie filmmakers that can't drive and something in their brain function won't allow them to recognize it. If 90% of the movies are made this way - it's no wonder that most half-way watchable movies are sold, maybe not for what you want, but they get sold.

I consider myself a logical person, not too smart, but not too dumb either. But making the same mistake 10 times, 7 times, even 5 times in a row starts to border on lunacy. I mean how many times did you have to burn yourself on a hot pan that you pull out of the oven before you recognized that "Hey I need an oven mitt."

If someone is on their 5th movie and there has been absolutely no progress over the course of those movies. Each one has not sold, each one is no better than the last, each one has new actors (since the last set won't come back), each shot on the same camera, no new equipment or expertise has been added to the production, none of them look, sound, feel nothing like "Hollywood" - then I have to ask...

A. Why are you making movies?
B. Do you really think this profession is for you?
C. Are you lying to yourself saying you're just waiting for your 'Big Break'?
D. Why the **** can't you tell your stuff sucks?
E. Why have an ego, when your work is crap?

This rant isn't geared to anyone on DVXuser, the guy I speak of, I found him through an email message list which directed me to his myspace page. In the email, he was asking for a lead actress for his newest movie (I think his 5th or 6th). He said he's been looking for 3 months now and wondered was there no actress in the United States that wanted a lead role in an action movie. What he failed to recognize is that he has a huge track record of crappy movies - so what's in it for the actress?
 
I think there are several reasons for this.

A) They assume that everyone else can "see" past the flaws and judge their intended result even though, they clearly don't manage to achieve it on the screen. Often they'll say things akin to, "It would look better if we had a gyb (assuming they know what one is) but I think this works too." And other things that show that they never had the means to do what they wanted but tried anyway regardless of the result being worse then them finding a workable solution to certain challenges. However, we see the results, not the intention. Nobody wants to make a bad movie, or write a bad script for that matter. Many times they muster the bare bones of it and think that it comes "close enough" for government work and everyone else should see that.

B) It's like a spoiled athlete syndrome. They got a movie done. People genuinely respected that fact and cut the original project slack and were willing to keep going down the road with them hoping for improvement but it never came. The Director assumes he's got this cadre of supporters who're enamored with his talent when they're likely just hanging around out of politeness and habit. So, he/she continues to roll the dice basking in the artificial "glow" that he feels as long as folks are there to contribute to his efforts.

- Ego? Some people are just built with over-inflated senses of themselves. I don't know why Director seems to be an acceptable position for folks who have that quality but in a lot of cases, it does allow for that.

I will say that there is something to be said for Confidence in the role. Nobody likes a wishy-washy director who can't make decisions, so it helps to have a confidence and even an over-confidence at times to overcome some doubts, but I never think that an inflated ego is necessary. Just like I believe that you can be a great receiver in the NFL and not be T.O. (Jerry Rice anyone?).

In my own experience, I feel like I have grown, though I do wish I'd been able to work more as a director than I have. However, I know that my productions these days are way ahead of where I was early in my career and I'm to a point where I can sharpen the intangibles about my films rather than worry about the tangibles like (lighting, sound, etc).

I'm still guessing at my Directing chops but feel I'm fairly strong relative to my experience level. I'd love to have the opportunity to concentrate on that aspect solely once or twice though before really assessing myself completely. Being a hyphenate works for me in terms of getting things done, but I certainly would love to be able to worry only about the task of Directing once in a while.

I know this profession is for me (while not being absolutely sure about the specific job of Director) but what I can't know is when it will be my sole profession. A step closer every day though. Believe it.

-Martin
 
Forgive me for being impulsive, but the board is kind of slow today so I figured I'd get a Rant off my chest that I've been holding back for a while.

Why Do Bad Directors Who Make Bad Movies Have Huge Egos?

I mean I've seen so many indie movies made from $0 to $200K where the movie sucks. I mean it's more than bad. It's horrid. Everything from bad acting to bad lighting to bad camera work to bad editing to bad script to bad direction. You walk away and the only good thing you can say is that the movie only lasted 85 minutes. Is it just me?

I wouldn't be so upset with these people if they either.

A. Knew it was bad, but used it as motivation to get better
B. It was their first movie
C. Had monumental production problems

One of the reasons why I didn't get in to film when I was young, was simply the cost to get a good camera, film stock + processing, not to mention, lighting and sound. So I tried to do business in still photography... costs were much less... but even then... I ended up in software... but I digress...

Move forward 30 years... the digital revolution has changed the most significant impedement that I saw way back when... namely cost of film stock + processing.

So I have returned to my interest in making films.

Now for my grand observation... actually a couple...

In the 80's there was an explosion of 'self printing' that was ushered in when computers and printers became cheap enough, and high quality enough for people to 'do it themselves', rather than head for a print shop to take their copy, past it up, and shoot it with a process camera, then print it out... or Xerox it off... or whatever...

In the same way, this ushered in a number of years where many people who had no clue about 'printing' put out to the public basic crap, and sometimes would get pretty nasty if one pointed this out...

I think the digital film explosion is going through the same process now...

I'm going to put my 'first' short up shortly... and I will admit to the following...

I did not calibrate the effective ISO value correctly for the new camera I was using, and further left my meter on 'memory' mode, so, I think I was actually underexposing by about 4 stops... beat me with a stick... The move takes place at night, so, I may be able to just do ok...

The the other item was just plain stupid... in the heat of battle getting several people to work with me on the project, keep them 'going' (this was a school project so the crew was from the class...), I totally forgot to even monitor the audio the camera was picking up with head phones... I had plans to use my DVX as a audio deck with an external mic. But due to crew cancelations, I ended up in some cases being the only person on the set... so used the on camera mics... no excuse for that...

But I did get the actresses involve to re-do their audio, and given the shot angles, I may be able to pull off droping the redone audio in to overcome the poor quality of the oncamera mics. Had I monitored the audio, I probably would have set the audio volume up, despite hiss... and gotten something I could have worked with afterwards.

Another thought that occurs to me, is, I for the forseeable future will probably only make 'short subject' films. These are something that I can handle and probably get a crew to commit for a couple of weekends. The above mentioned short was shot in 8 hours... which was about half the time I really should have used, but again, getting my fellow students to commit to even that 8 hours was difficult, and even then...

When I read perhaps here, or often in the 'screen writing' venues I frequent, that somebody has just started out, and has written a feature, that is 90-120 pages, or 90+ minutes of film... I think... how on earth... Even in the script writing, where the only 'cost' is e-paper and time... I'm sticking with short scripts... and should I note, some people take grave offense to having their 'Magnum Opus' critiqued... unless it is laudations beyond their wildest dreams... I'm thinking of the scene in "A Christmas Story", where Rolphie has handed in his essay on 'What I want for Christmas' where he justifies wanting a Red Ryder BB gun... and the result is a C+, rather than the mountains of praise expected... and an additional note from the teacher "you'll shoot your eye out'...

So, what occurs to me, is these people put so much effort, that their 'ego' investment is magnified. Had they started out with smaller goals... ok, I blew the exposer and audio... shoot me... heck I'm a still photographer... not only have I not really cared about 'motion', but 'audio'... anyway... I don't have that much 'ego' in the project, other than as a learning tool on how to work with others to get a film made... I think I was successful in using craigslist to find an actress... I'm not going to use the Daughter... The Mother uses her for as a still photography model... but for movies... well, who knows... but any way... I'm always going to personally do a sound check... meter check... not going to use a camera I've only received a day before the shoot... those types of lessons...
 
wow! thanks for the quick replys.

I just feel like has no one run into these guys/gals? The Internet is filled with them.

jclark - I don't think you apply to the folks I'm talking about. You're still learning and you admit you are.

filthrich - I wish I could do something. These guys don't rent from me. The guy I was referring to lives in Ohio, not GA.

Martin - you said it well, but these guys Egos are beyond big.

check this, another guy (won't mention names) calls himself one of the best directors of all time. I've seen at least a trailer for all his movies and have seen one all the way through. He acts like he's doing these great money-making movies, but he's not. A person on another board I visit, called him out on him and called him a phoney. "The Director" went off on the guy, so the board kicked "the director" off.

If you watch his stuff it's plain bad. But he won't hear it. I mean, I don't get it. I've gone through the whole - you don't understand phase. But when I went through it, it was because I was over -critisizing myself, more so than anything else. I knew my stuff sucked, so I was bitter about it. But at least I knew it sucked. You have to know, before you can get better. but these guys you can't tell them their stuff sucks. I understand you need a little ego to do this job. I mean hey you're telling people how to act, what to think, where to stand. I mean talk about controlling. If you did that to the average woman on a date - she'd leave after 5 minutes. :-) So I undestand that side of it, but jiminy-cricket to believe you're the next thing to sliced bread you need to at least be on the counter-top not in the garbage can. ;-P
 
JLS4, do you realize that you just ruined a perfectly good scene? You should have filmed it! Great rant; you won't be able to do it again in Take 2. LOL

Normally I like to come to the defense of the attacked party, but then I'll be accused of being that egoist you wrote about. LOL

But seriously -- well, I don't know how serious I can get when responding to a rant, but here it goes:

There is a big difference between a bad director who makes a feature film for, say $25,000 and one who makes a feature film for $200,000. The bad director who makes a $200,000 feature should be put in a straight jacket and rushed to the asylum (or to head one of the Classic Divisions of one of the major studios -- if he ended up with a great movie anyway :-).

The bad director who made a feature under $15,000 and ended up with all kinds of mistakes, but still completed the movie, well, there's something to be said for that. If he is attacked for making a bad movie, he has a defense, and maybe ego is required to defend a bad movie, because if you won't fight for a bad movie, you won't fight for a good movie -- ok, I'm not insisting on this point; I'm willing to negotiate on this one :-)

I think in art, we should be charitable toward each other. Remember when the impressionists began in Paris in the 20s? They were brutalized, but today their paintings are selling in the millions, and the "accepted" artists of their day? Nobody even knows who they are.

Next time you feel a rant coming on, go to MOMA and spend a couple of hours looking at a Jackson Pollack painting. LOL
 
Its not just that way in the indie market. The big guys are like that too. Even television directors are. I've worked with a few who were ego maniacs.

It's the industry we work in. Everyone thinks they are better then everyone else.

PS. My first seven shots are unwatchable by my standards. So I feel you there.
 
I suppose most filmmakers don't make it very far saying "I suck."

Seems as though you get a lot more traction if you go around convinced that you're the next Kubrick/Spielberg/Bay. And there's a chance others are dumb enough to believe you. Scratch that--100% for sure there are at least a few others dumb enough to believe you!

We should all take a page from their book. I'm gonna start today. Nice to meet you, I'm a genius.
 
And there's a chance others are dumb enough to believe you. Scratch that--100% for sure there are at least a few others dumb enough to believe you!

We should all take a page from their book. I'm gonna start today. Nice to meet you, I'm a genius.

LOL

The bad director who makes a $200,000 feature should be put in a straight jacket and rushed to the asylum (or to head one of the Classic Divisions of one of the major studios -- if he ended up with a great movie anyway :-).

Unfortunately I've seen this, a couple of times. That $200K can look like $25K in some people's hands

The bad director who made a feature under $15,000 and ended up with all kinds of mistakes, but still completed the movie, well, there's something to be said for that. If he is attacked for making a bad movie, he has a defense, and maybe ego is required to defend a bad movie, because if you won't fight for a bad movie, you won't fight for a good movie -- ok, I'm not insisting on this point; I'm willing to negotiate on this one :-)

Yeah and I applaud this guy, if it is his 1st, 2nd or maybe even 3rd movie.

You guys aren't getting the big picture. I'm not beating up on ranting on those with one bad movie saying Hey I made a movie I'm great. I'm getting on those on their 5th, 7th, 10th movie that looks like the first and is just as bad. I mean my first movie like I said was unwatchable, if my third had been that way I think I'd have given up! Said hey screw this, I'm horrable let me go knit sweaters for a living.

It's like if a person goes out for American Idol every year and every year since the first season (now they are on what, season seven) and they still don't get on. Then face it! It's over for you! You suck. It's probably not going to happen. And it's not because you can't do good work, but because you're not changing something - especially with filmmakers.

The example above with the pan in the oven.

Stupid Egomaniac Filmmaker
"Hey I don't need an oven mitt. I can pick that 375 degree pot up with my bare hands and it won't burn. Cause you know i'm the best!"

Seven tries later

Me
"Did it burn?"

Filmmaker
"Yes, but I bet I can try again and it won't burn. Because you know I'm the best at picking up hot pans from the oven. No one is better than me in doing that. In fact, I'm going to LA in two weeks to start on a new movie where all I do is pick up hot pans."

three weeks later

Me
"How did it go? did you get the pan gig?"

Filmmaker
"No, something came up. But now I'm working on a new type of thing. I just figured out I can pick up a hot pan without a oven mitt - because you know I'm the best"

Me
"It'll burn"

Filmmaker
"No it won't"

picks up hot pan

Filmmaker
"Damn that hurt, it must be the oven's fault for being so hot or LAs fault for not giving me a non-burn through lotion to put on my hands." -

Me
"Why not try an oven mitt"

Filmmaker
"I don't need that! I'm the best at picking up hot oven pans and you suck for thinking I can't do it!"

This is a person that needs to seek serious phyciatric help. Come'on you can't defend someone who not only believes they are doing right, but says they are better than the whole world in what things they are doing. When anyone can see they are doing wrong?!
 
Its not just that way in the indie market. The big guys are like that too. Even television directors are. I've worked with a few who were ego maniacs.

It's the industry we work in. Everyone thinks they are better then everyone else.

PS. My first seven shots are unwatchable by my standards. So I feel you there.

But you recognize that your first 7 shorts needed work. These guys think their work is perfect as is.
 
I completly understand. I am hoping my next short is watchable.. But I have worked with the most humble director ever. And he made a great feature for 7,000 over the course of 1 year!

I have also met a couple directors from LA. One was really cool and understood why some people, including myself, didn't like his film. But at the same time, the other directors and producers i met were complete jerks who felt no one was even worth 5 minutes of their time. It was complete BS.
 
But you recognize that your first 7 shorts needed work. These guys think their work is perfect as is.


As far as I've looked into it... Ed Wood would be the patron saint of the types you seem to be describing...

Since I 'missed' meeting him in the flesh... friends were wanabees in Hollywood and had just gotten into 'Ed Wood' groupiehood, while he was still alive. I don't know if they met him either...

So, the point is, I don't know what his attitude was about some of the films... were they 'great' in his mind, or where they 'schlock', but 'that's all he could do without the budget'...

One does have to give some sort of admiration for someone who is able to collect enough bucks to pay for stock, get some mainstays in the acting troupe to follow one around, and some set of crew to staff a production, despite failure after failure...

Perhaps it helps to have an aging hasbeen amoung that acting troupe... I don't know...

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I pick on Ed Wood from time to time, mainly because I can't for the life of me figure out why he has gotten the cult status he has. Roger Corman put out a life long opus of b-c-d-e-f films, but just also happened to be the kindergarten play yard for some of the current masters, or retired masters, such as Coppola and Nickelson to name a couple.
 
Joe Dante was shooting a movie for Corman in East LA. It started to drizzle. Joe and the crew were beginning to think that they had to wrap for the day. They looked for a public phone to call the production office (this was before the cell phone revolution).

They found a phone booth across the street and headed for it. The phone rang as they approached it. Joe Dante picked up the phone receiver. It was Roger Corman! He said, "I know, kid, you're thinking of quitting for the day -- keep shooting."

Joe was flabbergasted, "How did you know we were here?"

Corman replied, "That's the only phone booth in East LA at that location."
 
One of the reasons why I didn't get in to film when I was young, was simply the cost to get a good camera, film stock + processing, not to mention, lighting and sound. So I tried to do business in still photography... costs were much less... but even then... I ended up in software... but I digress...

Ditto. It was about 10 years later for me. I was doing market research. When the DVX100 came out. I made my first film off of $500 and some makeshift equipment. The film got distributed and people were shocked. Honestly a lot of people liked the film but no one thought it was great because, well, it wasn't.

My second film was a lot better. Still not great but not bad and people liked it. It got decent reviews (minus one horrid one and one that never happened). I learned enough to do this third film. I know all the pitfalls and issues now. I'm glad I did what I did and issues I had in the first I didn't have in the second and the same with this upcoming one.

This will be my best film. I went to film school but that was indeed ten years or more ago so I had to relearn a lot.

-Nate
 
In defense of ego :-)

Ego can get in your way later when you get somewhat established as a filmmaker; but in the beginning when you're young and starting out, sometimes ego is all you got. LOL

When they put you down, "it looks like a home movie," "the lighting was horrible," "the movie sucks," "the directing is non-existent," etc. -- ego will get you through the day. You shoot your mouth and move on.

Later when you find out that nobody is going to tell you, "you're talented" until you've made money or can do them a favor, (it's that way with all the arts), you learn to explain your style, technique and choice of subject matter in a way that is acceptable, so you won't appear as having ego -- but you should always keep a little ego in reserve for the times when some sharp critic wants to destroy you. Then you let it fly. LOL
 
Why Do Bad Directors Who Make Bad Movies Have Huge Egos?

I think it might be the big egos that make them become directors but since all they want is attention they only make bad movies... you just had it out of order, that's all. :)
 
well as a director with a huge freaking ego, whos film's all suck, I'd say its because my mother didn't love me enough as a child.
 
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