I'm tired of the noise my HVX provides

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frezko

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yes, you may call me stupid and say that the HVX operates great when it's in good hands, but now I have been fooling around with my HVX for some months and it still gives me a grainy overall look. I don't get to match my pictures to the ones I have seen online.

May someone PLEASE post the setting that works best for overall shooting? especially outside in winter time. or tell me what the heck I'm doing wrong.

I'll gladly post some examples if you that is of interest.

thank you,
~fredrik


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Example is added! --> Feeling noisy (divx)
 
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You just have to give it more light. Open the lens more and expose for the midtones a little brighter than what you see on the lcd.
 
posting some samples and your setting would really help to see the problem

frezko said:
yes, you may call me stupid and say that the HVX operates great when it's in good hands, but now I have been fooling around with my HVX for some months and it still gives me a grainy overall look. I don't get to match my pictures to the ones I have seen online.

May someone PLEASE post the setting that works best for overall shooting? especially outside in winter time. or tell me what the heck I'm doing wrong.

I'll gladly post some examples if you that is of interest.

thank you,
~fredrik
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@ douglas: I am giving it all my light actually. sometimes when I'm indoor it's impossible to give it more light without the gain, and that results in even worse - obviously.

@ aalleexx: thanks, I will post samples tonight.
 
by the way here is a little tip, I dont know what editing platform you are on but
I always run all my hvx footie through a plug in made by nattress called g smart denoise, it has worked wonders for me.... LINK:
http://www.nattress.com/Products/FinalTouch/FTGSmartDeNoise.htm

this plug in alone made me keep my hvx and not upgrade to the 170, I can get a very similay image to the 170 using this denoiser

best 150 bucks I've spent
 
frezko said:
@ douglas: I am giving it all my light actually. sometimes when I'm indoor it's impossible to give it more light without the gain, and that results in even worse - obviously.

@ aalleexx: thanks, I will post samples tonight.
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Do you have the same problem outdoors when your lighting is flatter?

I have seen the noise so I know what you are talking about. You just need to give it more light by any means.

It is not normal with other cameras but it is with the HVX.
 
yes the HVX needs a LOT of light! got a headlight? I heard of a new LED type light with internal battery which is supposed to work great.....very expensive, around 1200.- dont ask me the name, I have to call this collegue to find out.
 
if it really bothers you, buy an EX1. But I'm willing to bet that the rolling shutter issues will bother you a lot more.

And remember, even film has grain.
 
Gain should be an absolute last resort. I prefer blur over gain. Make a low light setting for use with low light scenes - black press, master ped +1, detail -5, coring +7, saturation -3, shutter angle 350 degrees.

Not a beautiful picture, but much more usable (and color correctable) than +12db of gain.


Jason
 
The 200a or HPX170 has a lot less noise and is a lot better in low light. Noise/too much grain (even outdoors with 0 dB of gain) was one of the biggest pitfalls of the HVX200.
 
Okay, I have edited my first post and you will see some examples.

and YES, i know the EX1 really is the camera to buy but then I would have to sell my HVX at a good price first :beer:
 
First shot looks great.. second yea looks like you've thrown some gain in there to bump up out of underexposing the shot.
 
When I had mine, I just tuned the flip out screen to be dimmer than normal, that caused me to add light to the scene. That made all the difference in the world to the stuff I shot.

Granted, it still was not crystal clear like an EX1, but neither is film.
I would be lying if I said I didn't like the crispness of the EX1, but at the same time,
the hvx200 looks great on it's own, while not being compared to something else.
 
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I made a custom shutter angle: 225 degrees. It allows more light than 180-degrees, but doesn't show too much motion blur.

-andrew
 
JesterJJZ said:
Am I the only one that doesn't mind and possibly even like the noise on the HVX?
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personally i don't mind it, you want it gone, just put more light. it's the pitfall of CCD but hey, you can always make it work for you. there is no perfect camera out there, it's all pro's and cons, and sacrifices you make in certain areas. my philosophy is if the piece is good, then nobody is gonna care about grain or what not. in the end it's always about content.
 
I went form an ex-1 to an HPX-170, and yeah the noise is much more prevalent in the shots, so I began paying close attention to tv shows that I consider to be high quality (and commercials which usually seem to be the winners in all out production value) and there is noise present in those also. like it was stated earlier, even film has grain.

another solution is put a 35mm len adapter in front of it, then you'll be pulling your hair out worrying about the texture from the ground glass and how to minimize it...

LOL


that's what I do...
 
AwakenedFilms said:
Gain should be an absolute last resort. I prefer blur over gain. Make a low light setting for use with low light scenes - black press, master ped +1, detail -5, coring +7, saturation -3, shutter angle 350 degrees.

Not a beautiful picture, but much more usable (and color correctable) than +12db of gain.


Jason
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Guys, thanks a lot!
Okay, simple laughable statement and question here; i have never used / worried about shutter angles. But it is the syncro scan, yes/no?
can't seem to find it..
:dankk2:
 
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