D90 vs Casio Exlim F1

Casio: PROS - sharpness, overall quality, price and manual controls (plus timelapse, slow motion and frameburst)
CONS - restriction on DOF and lens, Still image quality, 30fps.

Nikon:
PROS - interchangable lens, color/warmth and just a general nice look, great stills, 24fps
CONS - automated setting, stairstep/jello, poor quality HD.

Currently, I can make more money from the Casio... so if push came to shove, I would choose that over the Nikon. a combo of the two technolgies would be ideal.

btw - here is a short loop from the casio - http://www.advanceflash.com/test/casio.mov (8mb 1080p)
 
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The Casio F1 has a fixed lense. The auto focus works in all SD and HD modes and I can lock focus when I have framed the shot. The sharpness is what finally sold me on this camera. I can drop the raw footage into a Sony Vegas timeline and render out 24fps to many different formats.
 
Jay...

Wow, just that short clip made me want to buy the casio, fixed lens or not....

That's nice 1080p!

I'd really like to see some other types of shots in 1080p.
 
www.advanceflash.com/test
I Have added a couple of 720p clips to view too. As you can see, with a wide aperture, you can get some quite nice, shallow DOF.

For the price, I just think it is a great little device. I know that I can go out shooting all day and 99% of the footage will be a decent, usable standard.

I shoot stock, mainly for web desingers, so sharpness and composition are more important than "film look" , I guess it really depends on what you need/want.... but at $900, the casio is certainly a cool little cam to have with you to grab ideas, stock, cut aways etc.
 
cool stuff man. can someone do a test using the 24fps burst ? was wondering how long does it pause after 60fps ? 1 sec ? or longer? Can you just continuously use the burst function ? Thanks !
 
you can't shoot 24fps in frameburst, which was a bit of an oversight... but obviously you can shoot 60/30/25 or whatver and drop it into a 24fps timeline.... as there is no sound, it is easy to get the 24fps look.

60 Frames takes about 5-10 seconds to buffer....

you can only continuously shoot in auto-N mode which is like a timelapse hack... it seems to max out at about 3-4fps.

If they can boost the technology to frame burst at 6megapix/60fps untill the card runs out.... Casio could be onto a real winner: full manual control, great sharpness, great colour, good depth, no jello or rolling shutter worries.

They certainly seem to be doing something right and what is interesting is the CMOS comes from Sony, so perhaps sony might release a full DSLR version of this technology based around the chip.
 
i've used it pretty extensively now and have not had one instance of rolling shutter distortion.... that said, most of my work was in an outdoor enviroment.... so maybe that is why.

I have tested it in handheld situations and indoors... it far outplays the d90 in terms of rolling shutter and jello though.... and no stair stepping!

Low light is probably it's weakest point though.
 
So if casio can put a super 8 sized sensor in their camera that doesn't roll nikon should be able to do the same with a super 35 sized one if they just "wake up"? :-)
 
If nikon want to get videographers onboard.... then dropping in a smaller sensor that yeilds far better video results is, perhaps, what they need to do... if they release a smaller chip still camera with better video functionality and interchangable lens, they might be onto something good. If they want to keep a large sensor, then they have to up their game and make it work correctly....

I would happily sacrifice the still image functionality of the d90 to shoot, say 8-9mpx stills, in order to get the 720p quality that the casio brings. But that is just me (as a videographer). Probably 90% of the d90 tagret market are interested predominently in the still image functionality. The Casio, on the other hand is targetting a niche market between videographers and wildlife/fast action still photogrpahers, that can sacrifice megapixels for that perfect action shot.

It is all about what YOU want for a sub $1000 camera ....If you are not so interested in the film look or high quality still images then the casio has undeniably better quality video footage. If you want a great still image camera that also shoots video with the film look but often with limited quality, the D90 is for you.

Let's also not forget, the techonogy of the EX-F1 is close to a year old, so perhaps the Sony techonology invloved in the cmos is now capable of much more.

I can make money out of both these chepaer cameras.... for me, both work for diferent things..... but I am definately holding back alot of my funds for when Nikon, Sony, Canon, Red or even Casio perfect this technology. As I have said in other threads, we are at the start of a massive shift in our industry that is going to be amazing.
 
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jaybirch said:
If nikon want to get videographers onboard.... then dropping in a smaller sensor that yeilds far better video results is, perhaps, what they need to do... if they release a smaller chip still camera with better video functionality and interchangable lens, they might be onto something good. If they want to keep a large sensor, then they have to up their game and make it work correctly....

I would happily sacrifice the still image functionality of the d90 to shoot, say 8-9mpx stills, in order to get the 720p quality that the casio brings. But that is just me (as a videographer). Probably 90% of the d90 tagret market are interested predominently in the still image functionality. The Casio, on the other hand is targetting a niche market between videographers and wildlife/fast action still photogrpahers, that can sacrifice megapixels for that perfect action shot.

It is all about what YOU want for a sub $1000 camera ....If you are not so interested in the film look or high quality still images then the casio has undeniably better quality video footage. If you want a great still image camera that also shoots video with the film look but often with limited quality, the D90 is for you.

Let's also not forget, the techonogy of the EX-F1 is close to a year old, so perhaps the Sony techonology invloved in the cmos is now capable of much more.

I can make money out of both these chepaer cameras.... for me, both work for diferent things..... but I am definately holding back alot of my funds for when Nikon, Sony, Canon, Red or even Casio perfect this technology. As I have said in other threads, we are at the start of a massive shift in our industry that is going to be amazing.
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Agreed. I love my D90, definately have a lot more in the bank but waiting for something solid down the road. The d90 is good for what it is now
 
If you have a great story or great content then people are not going to care what the hell its filmed on. We can gripe all we want on the tech stuff but for 1000 bucks and you get HD video and a Pro DSLR cam, can't complain much. I personally thought Blair With look like serious crap but it didn't stop people from watching it. That movie grossed 100 Mil +

That Casio look freakin nice!
 
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If you have a great story or great content then people are not going to care what the hell its filmed on
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sigh, why did you feel that argument was relevant to this discussion? it's the lamest i've ever heard and believe me i've heard it enough for a few lifetimes. this is a camera forum in case you haven't noticed.

/matt
 
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sigh, why did you feel that argument was relevant to this discussion? it's the lamest i've ever heard and believe me i've heard it enough for a few lifetimes. this is a camera forum in case you haven't noticed.

/matt
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yeah lame, but true. don't hate.
 
RE; the above clips

Oh.. it is actually quite noisy, but because the camera's curve has smashed the blacks to RGB 000 where there can be no noise (Its clipped or/lost information)... it just seems clean. The mids that are peaking out of the smashed blacks are alive with noise...

You need to film a greyish/dark room with some low end/mid tone values, not just absolute black, to properly gauge the low noise performance...
 
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