Coule of Questions - Premiere 2.0 Pro

richke

richke

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I use Premiere 2.0 Pro and when I tried to render the full movie it crashed at the end(100%) with a generic message. Frustrated and not willing to wait another 50 minutes for an error I basically sectioned it into three parts and it would render fine.

Each part is close to 4 gig in .mov format. Obviously 4 gig per isn't an option for the web or DVd so I tried using Roxio DVD Builder app and add the files to that. Well it takes the 12 gig and compresses it down to 1.5gig and it looks like crap. Why not only compress it down to 4 gig..I don't know but the settings aren't very in depth. Any ideas on the size limit for a Premiere Render or what would be causing the error. Because within the same project it rendered fine if I sectioned it off.

So then I took this converted program(VOB Converter - I think) I have and converted the mov to .vob and got all three down to about 300MB each and they look great! Only issue is the Roxio DVD Builder doesn't work with .vob and I don't know what I can use to get those files onto a DVD. So I guess do you have any tips on getting the files from VOB to DVD?

Second how should I go about putting them on my site? I tried using After Effects and exporting each part out as a .swf but they error out about 50% through and the files would still be about 2.5 gig. Do you you have a compression app you use? It can't cost a crap load of money. :)

This part just frustrates me...did the shooting and editing but the dang technical aspect holds me back :)

Thanks for any help.
 
The problem with Premiere is that the project becomes progressively more unstable as the amount of effects and/or amount of footage increase, at least in HD. I've been struggling with the same problem ever since version 2.0. I'm assuming there's quite a bit of effects or color grading on the footage or the duration was too long, and then Premiere starts running out of memory and it'll give you an error. Nothing much you can do about it; rendering it out one bit at a time is the solution.
 
richke said:
Each part is close to 4 gig in .mov format.
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Just out of curiosity, is your hard drive formatted as Fat32 or NTFS? And why are you going to Quicktime and not AVI?

Fat32 drives have a 4GB file size limit - maybe that's causing the crash?

Can you gave some more details about the project - SD or HD, format, etc.
 
No it NTFS - so that isn't the problem.

Shot with a mini-DV and it's runtime is about 20 minutes. (720x480) I use Quicktime because I know what settings to use(or this is what I've been told before to use) QT - Photo-JPEG, highest quality.

I heard AVI were bigger so I always went with QT...but i'm not 100% sure.

I've been reading since I posted this and I read I can goto

http://www.adobe.com/designcenter/aftereffects/articles/dva8at_maniccomp_print.html

and it gave me some tips on how to get the file down...Am I going down the right path? Or is AVI truly the way to go?

Thanks,
Rich
 
Hi,

You've been given some great advice.

A few comments. Keep apples with apples - as Eric suggested, if you have some sort of avi files on the time line, stick with them. Premiere likes you to to be consistent with media. If you are working in DV, it will generally want DV "Conformed" media - meaning media that is more or less 4:3 (in an NTSC world) and audio that is 48KHz, etc., stuff that you told it in the project settings that you were going to put on the time line. It will process the media for you, but that's what eats up your CPU time and cycles the most. The more errant data on the time line, the more cycles are consumed and the more you're likely to crash.

Work flow can help, too. If you think of your projects in sequences that are scenes or pieces of a larger whole, you can make those particular sequences rendered parts of the final show. That will not only help with your organization, but keep the project from getting too cumbersome in rendering out over time.

The final part of what you're doing is your output. VOBs are "Visual Objects" which are MPEG files that are muxed video mpg files and audio files that are (in the NTSC realm) AC3 or WAV files (they can be MPEG audio, but that isn't part of the NTSC DVD specification, nearly all recent DVD players play MPEG audio DVDs, but...). You can make your content from the time line using the Adobe Encoder, if that's what you want; it's what I do from Premiere when I want to make DVD content. There are a lot of presets for making content and there are a lot of calculators for bit rates you can use, too, to get the rates right. Another advantage to splitting the content up to sequences to render them out as individual MPEG2 files for inclusion into your DVD is for separate files in the compilation in the DVD.

A good calculator is here http://www.videohelp.com/calc.htm.

As for any web content, you can also use the Adobe Encoder to make Flash content from the time line. But you don't want to use the same settings each purpose. Two destinations get different settings.

Good luck!

Mike
 
It depends on your final output, but if you're going to DVD, I would suggest exporting out a DV AVI file. That will give you a large file, but give you excellent quality. Then import that file into your DVD authoring software, and you'll have a great looking DVD.

If want a version for the web, I would try Windows Media - it has pretty good compression and small file sizes.
 
Thanks Mike....alot of info there...damn! :)

Eric...but if I take the QT now and it compresses from 12 to 1.5 now and it looks bad isn't it going to look worse with an avi? sense it will be bigger or does that just work better with compression?
 
If you have DV footage captured in PPro, and you've edited under a DV project preset, then exporting out a DV AVI file should give you the same quality as the source footage. It's the same level of compression. I wouldn't use the QT files - make the DV AVI file right from your timeline.

When you choose Export Movie, make sure you've selected DV AVI and the frame rate and everything else matches up.
 
Thanks! I'll try that next time from start to finish. I created a new project and used a link I found http://ezinearticles.com/?Windows-Media-Video-Compression-Using-Adobe-Premiere-Pro&id=169377

It basically goes through and tells how to use Adobe Media Encoder and you kinda tweak the settings to your liking. Managed to get the 12 gig file down to 51 MB!!!! :) - Doesnt look that great so I changed the settings and managed to get it to around 650MB and it actually looks pretty good. Going to tweak it once more for the DVD version...but wow. I never thought that was possible. It does take about 1 1/2 hours per pass though. but it works and I'm happy with that.


Thanks for all the help guys!
 
richke said:
Going to tweak it once more for the DVD version...
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When you make the video to import into your DVD authoring software, you don't want to use Adobe Media Encoder. In PPro 2, you want to use the Export selection, and then select Movie...then select DV AVI. That'll give you the best qulaity.

Good luck!
 
Ill do that for the DVD. I did see that option when exporting....to you suggest the Export to DVD selection or should I render it out DV AVI and then add it to my DVD Application?

thanks again for the help.
 
I would render out a DV AVI file...that will allow you the freedom to take the file into any other DVD authoring software. The Export to DVD selection will create the DVD right there in PPro - which isn't bad, but it could limit what you can create for a finished DVD.
 
Hi Rich,

A lot depends upon what you want the DVD to look and act like - what kind of menus, buttons, behaviors and such you've planned for it to have.

It also matters how much content is on the disc. A 2-hour show is a lot different than a 2 and 1/2 hour show, and a 90 minute show is a lot different than a 2-hour show. A 2-hour show will likely require AC3 or MPG audio encoding to fit on a disc. A 2 and 1/2 hour show will need a top-notch encoding program or dual layer disc and AC3/MPG audio. A 90-minute show can be put on a regular disc with PCM (wav) audio and isn't to picky about encoding.

If quality is foremost and dollars don't matter, you might consider something like Procoder from Grass Valley, expensive and good. Just as good, and a lot more affordable is TMPGEnc Xpress 4.0. At $100, it will convert your avi files to top quality DVD mpg files with AC3 audio files ready for your DVD authoring program. It also has batch rendering capabilities. It has a lot of uses, and I highly recommend it.

Once your files are made into MPEG2 files, they can be imported into your authoring program for DVD authoring.

The Adobe Encoder in Premiere Pro 2 isn't bad and you could use it, but it doesn't include AC3 (you'd have to pay the SurCode license). You would need to use MPEG audio, something that is likely okay to do, but AC3 is better.
 
MikeGunter said:
Hi Rich,

A lot depends upon what you want the DVD to look and act like - what kind of menus, buttons, behaviors and such you've planned for it to have.

It also matters how much content is on the disc. A 2-hour show is a lot different than a 2 and 1/2 hour show, and a 90 minute show is a lot different than a 2-hour show. A 2-hour show will likely require AC3 or MPG audio encoding to fit on a disc. A 2 and 1/2 hour show will need a top-notch encoding program or dual layer disc and AC3/MPG audio. A 90-minute show can be put on a regular disc with PCM (wav) audio and isn't to picky about encoding.

If quality is foremost and dollars don't matter, you might consider something like Procoder from Grass Valley, expensive and good. Just as good, and a lot more affordable is TMPGEnc Xpress 4.0. At $100, it will convert your avi files to top quality DVD mpg files with AC3 audio files ready for your DVD authoring program. It also has batch rendering capabilities. It has a lot of uses, and I highly recommend it.

Once your files are made into MPEG2 files, they can be imported into your authoring program for DVD authoring.

The Adobe Encoder in Premiere Pro 2 isn't bad and you could use it, but it doesn't include AC3 (you'd have to pay the SurCode license). You would need to use MPEG audio, something that is likely okay to do, but AC3 is better.
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Maybe for my next one,...this one is only 20 minutes long :)

Geesh I never knew all this crap took place...wow!!!! How the hell do you guys know about all this stuff. You are my Gods! :)
 
I deal with it on a daily basis for projects and clients...and trust me, I often have to go to others for help. Don't ever think you know it all - right around the time you do, everything will change into something else, and you're back at square one.
 
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