SCARLET / EPIC swiss army knife camera details announced

Nicky said:
Their track record is HOPELESS.... Have they even completed their orders for red one???

Anyone who indulges in this is plain BORED!
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They have completed ALL backorders and are shipping cameras in quantity.


Maybe you should do some research before blathering about things you know nothing about.
 
F35 - Single chip 35mm CCD. Same with the Genesis. F23 is CCD
Viper is CCD.

The four most used digital cinema systems are all CCD.

The only high-end digital cinema camera that is CMOS is the Phantom HD. So how exactly is that every major camera? CCD is used in almost every high end camera system.

No, red didn't promise a bug-free product. But bugs are a major major issue. I can't have a camera decide it's going to have an internal memory fault five times a day, or decide after playback it won't play back.

So far, vaporware fits. The development cycle of RED is essentially non-existent. They stop when they want to. They extend when they want to. There is no verifiable process to their development strategies. No one knows with RED. Right now, everything is only expected.

Either way, I am looking forward to see what happens.
 
Brandon Rice said:
dude... Scarlet is that camera. :beer:
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I'm not so sure yet. I do think it is a huge improvement for handheld doc stuff over the red, (which is almost impossible for fast paced run n gun stuff). I do think it is an improvement.

I guess we will know more as the details start rolling out. If it has more than a 10 second boot time it might not work for me. Anyone know if it has a pre record buffer like the hvx?
 
ChipG said:
I'm not so sure yet. I do think it is a huge improvement for handheld doc stuff over the red (which is almost impossible for fast paced run n gun stuff).

I guess we will know more as the details start rolling out.
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the reason I said that so excitedly is because this morning one of the first things I said about Scarlet was... "this is the ultimate documentary camera, just think of Planet Earth, being shot at 4k with Scarlet..."
 
Lets just put this into perspective a bit...

Not too long ago many would pay ~ $5000 for a Letus ultimate 35mm DOF adapter just to get that 35mm DOF with the loss of resolution and an ungodly long setup. Now you can get a compact camera that shoots S35mm sensor at 5k resolution with REDCODE.

Not too long ago, the cheapest 2/3" camera is HPX500 at $8k (after rebate) shooting only at 960 x 540 pixel, and now you can get Scarlet 2/3" at $2500 shooting at 3k resolution.
 
ydgmdlu said:
You do realize that much more expensive HD cameras than the RED One, cameras that Hollywood studios use for big-budget productions, also use CMOS, right? And large CCDs suffer limitations due to power issues, which is why they aren't used very much in the high-end, studio-quality equipment.
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Actually, I take this back. But CMOS is used in other high-end digital cinematography cameras other than the RED One, including the Arri D-20.
 
Brandon Rice said:
the reason I said that so excitedly is because this morning one of the first things I said about Scarlet was... "this is the ultimate documentary camera, just think of Planet Earth, being shot at 4k with Scarlet..."
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I hear ya man, I guess I should have been more clear about a run n gun camera and not a doc camera. In planet earth they spent weeks setting up for most of those shots. A 4k Red would be just fine for the way that was shot.
 
You can't "get" one for at least a year though.
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Not too long ago, the cheapest 2/3" camera is HPX500 at $8k (after rebate) shooting only at 960 x 540 pixel, and now you can get Scarlet 2/3" at $2500 shooting at 3k resolution.
 
I think, even on the low end, consumers will approach the 2/3" scarlet cameras and see greater benefits versus an EX1/3 or HPX/HVX (when used in a cinematography environment). Even then, the photo capabilities also give the user an opportunity to toss their DSLR if they so choose. Imagine videography - having the option of taking 12+ MP quality photos (on the low end) and swapping back to 3K, 4K, or 5K video. Weddings come to mind instantly.

I have operated within the 35 adapter world for years. Its been my bread and butter. I'm also a RED customer and thoroughly enjoy what their cameras brings to the table on the high-end. This is truely blurring the lines. In fact, its somewhat frightening because soon the consumer market could overlap due to how affordable these high resolutions are. Suddenly, everyone owns a high-end camera...why pay for a professional?

Either way, I believe RED will do anything they can in their power to deliver. My latest camera was scheduled for middle of January. However, it was delivered ahead of schedule and is already into two productions which would have been HPX. They are caught up and will only begin to stream line more and more of these products. Customers strongly stand behind the products as well. Free upgrades, a flourishing community online, and a customer service that does what they can to work with you.

They are redefining this industry. I'm just astonished at how people STILL turn a blind eye to it. I think the FF35 Scarlet will be a great upgrade for RED owners at only $12,000.
 
Lets just put this into perspective a bit...

Not too long ago many would pay ~ $5000 for a Letus ultimate 35mm DOF adapter just to get that 35mm DOF with the loss of resolution and an ungodly long setup. Now you can get a compact camera that shoots S35mm sensor at 5k resolution with REDCODE.

Not too long ago, the cheapest 2/3" camera is HPX500 at $8k (after rebate) shooting only at 960 x 540 pixel, and now you can get Scarlet 2/3" at $2500 shooting at 3k resolution.
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Now you can still get all of the above. Now you can`t get anything from RED other than CG pages and a buggy version one. Lets put this in real perspective please.
 
Jack Daniel Stanley said:
Yeah I thought it was a joke when Kholi first posted it actually. That he'd been REALLY busy photo-shopping and writing copy. I laughed out loud at the 3D part. Then I looked at all the detail in the lens descriptions and already existing Red hardware, etc. and realized this was no joke.
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Lmfao. Jack. That would have been funny, though.

I had dreams about this camera last night. Couldn't decide between S35 and FF35.
 
Mattykins said:
The CMOS based set has problems I don't want to deal with. CMOS is built in with inherent issues. Motion Tracking and matchmoving is next to impossible. The camera can't make any sudden movements. Sure it looks nice (most of the time) - but there are huge problems when it goes to visual post. CMOS is a pain to deal with.

Nothing saying Mysterium could be made into a CCD chipset rather than a CMOS based one. It would make the camera more widely usable, and would let the camera be used with digital effects.
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Sorry man, but you're completely wrong. Our company has done a LOT of matchmoving and motion tracking with RED footage already and didn't have problems. It sure as hell wasn't impossible.

Next, you should go and blurt this statement out in the faces of big budget films using RED for VFX work. JUMPER, anyone?

I understand your concerns with CMOS sensors but right now your claim doesn't sound like it's founded by experience.
 
BrianMurphy said:
Lets put this in real perspective please.
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BrianMurphy said:
Lets just put this into perspective a bit...
Now you can still get all of the above. Now you can`t get anything from RED other than CG pages and a buggy version one. Lets put this in real perspective please.
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Yes, and that is what I SAID on page 5 of this thread. Regardless, RED is going to make their revolutionary camera and IT WILL BE AVAILABLE TO PURCHASE AND IT WILL CHANGE THE INDUSTRY AND ELIMINATE SILLY THINGS CALLED 35mm DOF adapters. Till then, if you are going to make money, buy a new camera with w/e u need or shoot with your existing camera. My reality is as clear as day my friend. Dont you worry about me.


"I am with you Dan. After all the celebration, this is what I see is going to happen:

early 2010 : Scarlet S35 + Epic S35 because they already have the tech for the S35 sensor.

2011 : Scarlet FF35 + Epic FF35 + Scarlet 2/3"

2012: Epic 3D

I dont think Epic 645 and Epic 617 are going to make it at all (maybe in the next 5 years after the S35 and FF35 are all in mass production).

Plus, judging from the Red One experience, you DO NOT want to own the early batch of anything from RED. "

I also have a feeling a fully complete working S35 Scarlet camera (minus your Nikon or zeiss lenses) is going to be at least $20k.
 
I'm a big naysayer, but there's a massive chance that S35 Scarlet and Epic will be available next Spring/Summer. Let's just wait and see, because that's all you can do.

Until then, there's money to be made.
 
Mattykins said:
Looking okay and being okay are totally different things. Sure, I can matchmove a CMOS set when it's sitting on a tripod or moving slowly..
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Well....none of the matchmoving that I've seen were sitting on tripods. They were all moving and some were shakey handheld footage. As a matter of fact all were done with an HV20. I've never seen anything (matchmoving) done on Red.

But if the movie "Jumper" was shot on a Red...than I take that last statement back...that would be my first Red matchmoving viewing.
 
Hey guys, foregive me if it was posted some where else and I didn't see it but was anything said about the audio abilities for scarlet?
 
Ian-T said:
Well....none of the matchmoving that I've seen were sitting on tripods. They were all moving and some were shakey handheld footage. As a matter of fact all were done with an HV20. I've never seen anything (matchmoving) done on Red.

But if the movie "Jumper" was shot on a Red...than I take that last statement back...that would be my first Red matchmoving viewing.
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There were VFX scenes, Greenscreen, that were shot on RED along with the movie WANTED.

So, yeah, someone go and tell those guys CMOS isn't ready for matchmoving or tracking...

The bottom line is if Jim managed to regurgitate Scarlet S35 and Epic S35 in a Spring/Summer release, the game is pretty much over. Those are truly the only system they need to release to start the shift. Once those two are out, it's all just sensors and mount games.

And, to be honest, I think the most of us are going to want the S35 sensor setup. I know that I was already willing to drop 12K or a little more on it, I know that there are hundreds that will do the same.

Yes, it's vaporware until proven innocent, those are my own words and I'm still a little shifty-eyed. After seeing what they plan, it makes a bit more sense on how they're going to tackle the release.

Remember, Mysterium X has been in development for quite some time. It's not like it just popped out nowhere. The only thing they have to do is build a housing for it. The Digital Back deployment, existing RED accessories.

It makes sense.

At the same time, now that the rush has died off, we still have Nikon's "big announcement" coming. I can't see it really being anywhere near this, but I didn't see the D90 coming, either.
 
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