5DII DOES 1080P footage!!!!!!

Larry Swing said:
Broadcasting in former PAL countries is and will be done in 50Hz interlaced (50i) , for HD in either 720 or 1080 resolution.
So if you expect your films to be broadcasted, both 24p and 30p footage needs to be converted and there 30p certainly has a disadvantage as the effect will be more visible.
So if you belong to the very small group of people who regulary film for broadcasting purposes in PAL contries, the 5DII is probably not (yet) for you. But given the D90s image quality issues, in that case this camera is certainly not for you either.
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sure, d90 is worse due to rolling shutter and over-compressed video, but nikon will release another model in about 2 moths, lets see. Anyway thats the point of my post, what you can do with a 30p video in PAL countries, as you say, you cannot:
- shoot film at 24p
- broadcast at 25p or 50i
I would add also:
- deliver or distribute a PAL DVD

So with our €2600 camera we can only do home and internet videos. Maybe anyone knows another use.


Larry Swing said:
The majority of DVD players in PAL countries can display NTSC footage since many years (if there is no region code), so that shouldn't be an issue. I will test this with the new videos over the weekend.
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NTSC DVDs are usually 24p, which can be converted full quality to 25p or 50i.

From Wikipedia: "As Charles Poynton explains, the 24 frame/s rate is not just a cinema standard, it is also "uniquely suited to conversion to both 50 Hz systems (through 2:2 pulldown, 4% fast) and 59.94 Hz systems (through 2:3 pulldown, 0.1% slow). Choosing a rate other than 24 frame/s would compromise this widely accepted method of conversion, and make it difficult for film producers to access international markets"

This is why PAL cameras are selling in USA for filmmakers that shoot at 25p or 50i and convert it directly to 24p. Covering in full quality all the markets both NTSC 24p and PAL 25p.

30p is not an issue for home videos, but certainly it is if you want to deliver something professional quality to a customer whithout artifacts or broken motion.



Larry Swing said:
PAL TVs im most countries are made to accept 576i. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/576i. They won't accept 720p/i or 1080p/i anyway, not matter the frame rate. 24/25p won't help you here.
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You can convert any resolution to another either p or i , the conversion of 720p, 1090p, 576i ,720i, 1080i between any of them is pretty simple, but when trying to convert the framerate is when the problems arise, basically you can convert:

full quality:
24p <-> 25p
25p <-> 50i
30p <-> 60i

medium quality but usually aceptable:
60i <-> 50i
60i <-> 25p

bad quality, expect artifacts or broken motion:
30p <-> 25p
30p <-> 24p





Larry Swing said:
"HD Ready" labeled Plasma and LCD Displays in Europe (this is the majority now) will display 30p very well while 24p is not part of the specification.
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if you want to narrow yous customers to only who have a bluray and a "HD Ready" LCD thats fine. Remembering that you can't deliver them a simply PAL DVD.


Larry Swing said:
Wrong, see above. If you want to display on old PAL SD TVs, you will need to convert to 576i anyway and 24p won't work at all.
24p is incompatible with most Plasma or LCD displays, but that somehow doesn't seem to bother you.
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as said, the conversion between 24p and 25p and 50i is totally clean and simple, this is what I said we need either 24p or 25p, which can be converted to PAL or NTSC framerates without problems.


the point of my post, is that 30p is the worse framerate for a video, and in PAL countries you can shoot only home videos, or internet videos at most.


Again, CANON WE NEED 25p!! or I will buy a NIKON! :beer:
 
>This is why PAL cameras are selling in USA for filmmakers that shoot
>at 25p or 50i and convert it directly to 24p.

?

I wouldn't go that far. I've never met anyone who does that. It was an option until the XL1 came out, what like 10 years ago?
 
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