DVX100 24P Squeeze footage question. Urgent Help Needed!

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mikerstudios

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Hello,

I just picked it up my Panasonic DVX100B a few months ago and haven't really done much with it yet, so I'm pretty new with it still. I'm starting my first major project (a short horror film) with it and I have a few questions I need to fully understand the answers to before I begin shooting and realize I need to go back and re-shoot the next day. I'm planning on shooting the first couple scenes tonight.

And yes, I've tried searching for these answers on the forums and across the web with no luck. I figured posting this thread might be a little more efficient?

Firstly, I am editing with Adobe Premiere Pro. 2.0. I am going for widescreen/24P (not 24Pa) footage for this project as I really want that "film look". I did some research and SQUEEZE mode seems to fit my needs best, regardless of the minor resolution loss issue. This leads me to my first question. When shooting in SQUEEZE, how should I set up my project and capture/edit in Adobe Premiere Pro? What settings should I set up the project as? 4:3? 16:9? What I did in the past with my older camera is set up a regular 4:3 project and simply scale the image down to 75.3%, creating the letterbox for widescreen. I tried this yesterday to no success. My SQUEEZE footage scaled down and appeared to be regular 4:3 footage (even though I'm positive the footage was shot in SQUEEZE mode), in the 4:3 timeline. I'm not sure if this is because I simply captured the footage incorrectly in the 4:3 timeline or what? I never had a problem with this method using my other camera. What is the suggested way to set up and edit SQUEEZE footage in an NLE? Or does it make any difference at all, as long as you can get it to work?

Second, as I am shooting in 24P, I was also wondering how to set up my project in Adobe Premiere for this. I have read that you should set your up project timeline in 29.976 and capture the 24P footage that way? Or should I capture the footage in the 24P project timeline? This is a little confusing to me.

Basically, I'm just wondering how to set up my project to get the best look and results possible for a 24P widescreen video.

Thanks,

Michael
 
If you shoot squeeze, just capture and use a DV 24p Widescreen template (48K, if PP 2.0 gave you a choice between 32K and 48K; I don't remember if it did).

What you probably read about capturing as 29.97 has to do with FCP; you don't need to worry about any of that.
 
Is it going to be the same as editing in 4:3, then scaling the video down, so it has a letter box, and then exporting the video as a 4:3 as far as quality goes? Or is the widescreen template the better way to go? I have had problems exporting with the 16:9 template.

Also.. a little off topic. I'm using an external mic for this project, for the first time, as well. I noticed I can plug the mic into input 1 but cannot set both audio channels to input 1 (you can only set channel 2 to input 2 or Internal, channel 1 can't be set to input 2).

Do I want to plug the mic into input 2 so I can set both channels to input 2? Or Do I want to have the external mic on input 1 and just set channel 2 to internal?

I hope that made sense.

Thanks
 
hold up...the 24pa in 24p timeline...and 24p in 29.97 timeline only applies to fcp?? i'm gonna be using ppcs3

(David must be tired of me and 24p and timelines now :D. i must say ur quite patient to answer these questions over and over)

off topic but wud be pointless to start a thread...but i see all around the site this phrase of "crushing blacks" when editing or CC....what does that mean? is it a way of making blacks and shadow areas richer? how iz it done?
 
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Now for my two cents worth. I edit on Adobe Premier Elements 3.0. I do not have the option of editing on a 23.97 timeline. All I have is 29.97. Even so, I have shot using both 24p and 24pA and have edited both on the 29.97 timeline with no problems or issues whatsoever. I have even exported both to DVD with the same ease.

Second, if you shoot SQUEEZE, then edit with the widescreen 16:9 preset. This will automatically give you the proper aspect with no cropping, letterboxing or resizing needed. Just shoot, capture and play.

You've probably already heard this, but if you shoot SQUEEZE, always set your V DETAIL FREQ to THIN.

Crushing blacks means that you mmake the blacks "blacker" with less inherent detail. You can shoot with the gamma set to B. PRESS or set your MASTER PED at -6 or lower. Using both B. PRESS and a low MASTER PED would really crush the blacks.
 
Whenever I edit in 24p or pa In adobe premiere pro 2.0 I get horizontal lines when I capture in the 23.97 timeline, but when I capture in the 29.97 timeline it looks fine, what's up with that?
 
Paladin said:
Now for my two cents worth. I edit on Adobe Premier Elements 3.0. I do not have the option of editing on a 23.97 timeline. All I have is 29.97. Even so, I have shot using both 24p and 24pA and have edited both on the 29.97 timeline with no problems or issues whatsoever. I have even exported both to DVD with the same ease.

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wouldnt this make 24pa useless? or just the same as 24p
 
Jaimebailon said:
24p should be in 29.97 if your gonna be mixing it with other footage

24pa should be in 23.98
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What if it's all 24P.. can I use the 24P timeline?

Also, how would you do the widescreen? Use the widescreen template, or go 4:3, scale down with letterbox? Is there any loss or gain in quality?

Thanks for the replies.
 
Have you ever thought about getting a anamorphic adapter?
They're not that expensive and the footage looks nice and clear, when you shoot in squeeze you'll lose a little resolution.
 
jdmoviemaker said:
Have you ever thought about getting a anamorphic adapter?
They're not that expensive and the footage looks nice and clear, when you shoot in squeeze you'll lose a little resolution.
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Unfortunately I've already began shooting this short in squeeze mode as my current settings. An anamorphic adapter is a good idea though.

I'm just still not sure what type of timeline to use. I suppose I'll just stick with the 24P timeline for this project.. and have at it now. It's gotta be completed by tomorrow.

I'm still curious though, for future projects, what settings to use on 24P. Seems like the answer varies between users.
 
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