From Vincent Laforet: If you want 24p on the 5D MKII...

John Caballero said:
Again, the wonderful thing is we don't have to buy this camera if we think is not "up to our level of expectations". If you are not going to get one whats the point of even talking about it. Just keep on shooting with the camera you have now.
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Exactly...... Well said


This was shot with a prototype camera and high asa so wait to judge the final image when it ships. However it's not bad for a first generation.

You FUD posters with agenda's, don't think for one second we don't see you for what you really are. Between REDuser to DVXuser etc your tone in writing style show's your FUD agenda clearly. It might just be text, however the subtleties in what and how you say it exposes those that are nothing but intentionally negative on every little thing that can be found. Whether its true or not.

I may not be happy about Canon's lack of exposure control or 24P and have clearly said they suck for doing that on purpose. However I recognize this is a major gigantic step in the right direction that means in the future generations this is going to get better and more powerful.




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As you said, well said. Same for your post.

My compliments, Michael! Nice to read you and see you over here again.

Emanuel :-)
 
Matthew Bennett said:
Wow! 500 comments so far.... There is a SERIOUS want for 24p.
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Ye, good indeed. I hope its not a scam to get more traffic to his site. lol Cause its working!

Besides from this 24p bizness people.... Full manual controls are way important before we start talking about frame rates. It would suck if they skipped it. Then were back at to square one like the d90.

I hope they do both :)


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but look at this. i think it looks pretty damn good. for $3000. yes? and available in a few weeks, not months or possibly more. ???


 
yea it does look good, and there is no reason to compare anything, unless you want to protect your business and investment with come client who says what you use is trash, other than than lets just embrace what is available, to get the results each individual wants.
 
Rubbersquare said:
but look at this. i think it looks pretty damn good. for $3000. yes? and available in a few weeks, not months or possibly more. ???
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And this was shot high ASA too! Just imagine lower asa. Compression would have to work less, hence even better image.....


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watch "eternal sunshine of the spotless mind" and tell me that does not look like it was shot on a lomo. and that's a crap camera. but it works. it;s not the medium, it's the content. ***** about frame rate or iso or shutter control. but have a good story to tell and it really doesn't matter. hard for me to actually say that, but i'm slowly realizing it's true. damn technology.
 
Rubbersquare said:
watch "eternal sunshine of the spotless mind" and tell me that does not look like it was shot on a lomo. and that's a crap camera. but it works. it;s not the medium, it's the content. ***** about frame rate or iso or shutter control. but have a good story to tell and it really doesn't matter. hard for me to actually say that, but i'm slowly realizing it's true. damn technology.
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Agreed!

The quality of content will always be king for the best work made....



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Kholi said:
I already told you guys it wasn't gonna be an acceptable 1080p. 720p probably. Which is probably enough for most people, anyway.

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Not even gonna blame the glass, cause the guy is obviously a pro and he used TOtL lenses. Shrink this down to 720 (it came from the 1080 and a cropped portion) and you've got it.

Otherwise, even HVX1080 + Adapter honestly looks better. To me anyway. Doesn't stop the 5D from being almost super cool
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You really think HVX+Adapter looks better???????? Dude... Really? Even the D90 compares favorably to the HVX+Adapter... (check the vimeo clip comparison)
 
Nicky said:
Oh.... to be honest I dont think the still your using as a reference is perfectly sharp.
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Really? I would say it's pretty damn sharp considering the platform the camera was resting on was a vibrating tin can in a wind storm about 2,000 feet in the air. Pretty damn sharp indeed.
 
Looks to me like there is a very small amount of motion blur in a mostly vertical direction. Gyro or not I would not trust a frame grab from a helicopter to lack motion blur.
 
He only used one gyro instead of two in a x y pattern nor did he use a gimbal.

Also, it was pretty dark so I am sure his shutter was a bit longer than if it were a bright Arizona day time.

Pretty damn good under the circumstances.
 
Thebes said:
Looks to me like there is a very small amount of motion blur in a mostly vertical direction. Gyro or not I would not trust a frame grab from a helicopter to lack motion blur.
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Exactly... lets not forget that it looks like a 360 degree shutter at 30P... so it gets that collateral look(which can also happen with 24P if 360 shutter 24th/sec is used) and is hard to get a PERFECTLY crisp frame ESPECIALLY knowing the EXTREME circumstances.

I personally think these 5D video images MAY be sharper than the EX1/LEX combo... which is hard to beat actually. Also there could be sharpening involved however it still looks cool just like the HVX tends to with a little edge enhancement = still filmy :)
 
Good news guys

From Laforet's blog

"One of the visitors of Photokina 2008 Trade Show in Cologne reported in a well known German Canon forum today (http://www.dforum.net/), that Canon is now actually discussing a firmware upgrade to enable 25 fps mode. Furthermore, the Canon technician, who revealed this information, confirmed, that the 25 fps can be achieved by firmware change only, no hardware modifications are required."


 
i just read Laforet's blog and he said this regarding the request to Canon:

"2. You need to request only ONE thing… THE most important thing to you. And STAY FOCUSED ON THAT - so that they understand you are willing to give up on the 5-30 other features you are dying for…"

if 24p is what makes the difference between film cadence and video cadence, then i'm all for it. i'd love to have a video camera which creates film-like moving pictures. (actually i think d90's videos look more film-like, at least to me, is it because of the 24p, i honestly don't know). but after reading Laforet's comment above, i'm beginning to think we should've asked for full manual control ability in this 5dmk2 instead... CMIIW, but i isn't that more important?

or if it's true that the 24/25p can be solved by firmware, will it be too much too ask for manual settings/control ability too...?
 
24p is very easy to implement, and less work for the storage + processing hardware of the camera. I think it makes sense to ask for this first. Adding manual controls etc. would take a much larger effort.

And also, judging by Canon's track record with cameras like the HV20/HV30 etc, they consider manual controls to be more of a "reserved for pro" feature than 24p!
 
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