From Vincent Laforet: If you want 24p on the 5D MKII...

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f64manray

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Canon reads Vincent's blog so if you really want 24fps added to the D5 MKII this is what he has to say:

24 p and 1/48th is key… keep going… they will understand that it’s a MUST do firmware update…
I understand that it’s a silly tactic - but it works a LOT better than a carefully crafted e-mail or letter… trust me. If we hit 500+ comments asking for 24p - they can’t ignore it.. (I don’t have ads on this blog - therefore I’m not looking to drive up hits… there is no ulterior motive here other than to make an impression on Canon.)

So go here and make a comment requesting 24fps:


http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2008...-reverie-now-available-for-download/#comments

Tell all your film friends to bombard Vincent's blog with this request.
 
<<<I understand that it’s a silly tactic>>>>

Not silly at all.

Canon should be called on their persistence playing this trickle of features game. Usually they give us less, in this case they give use 6 more frames to go to 30fps. The lack of 24fps is strictly a choice to control what they give us. It's petty since cheap camcorders have 24fps and this is a Full frame 21MP device that's far more pro than those camcorders. They also didn't give us manual controls to control exposure correctly. They suck!

So the louder we scream, maybe they'll listen.

Anyways, good idea!


So go here and make a comment requesting 24fps:


http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2008/...load/#comments

Tell all your film friends to bombard Vincent's blog with this request.
 
Request completed. Hopefully, they are listening.

I had an idea. Should we maybe set-up a thread here where DVXUSER's can type in requests as well. Then send an email to Canon with a link to the thread?

The double-edged sword of the 5D mkII
The thing that I have been thinking about lately is that since they can do this in an SLR, when it comes time for Canon to release the XL-H2 and XH-A2, we had better not see another minor upgrade, 1/3 sensor style camera. They have to at the very least include this kind of tech or risk loosing massive amounts of their loyal video camera customer base to their own DSLR or to RED. At the very least, for let's say an A2, they need to give it a full frame sensor so that we can reap the low light benefits and DOF control. They probably won't give something like an A2 interchangeable lenses but they could at least give a good fixed lens that works with a full frame sensor.

I can see this hurting their consumer base as well, especially when the inevitable video capable Digital Rebel and 60D come out sometime next year. Why buy an HV30 or HF11 and a still camera if you can get a kick-arse DSLR with the video built in, plus way better low light capability?
 
Here is Canon's dilemma: If it gives videographers what they want, then it will substantially undermine its own camcorder business. Every single one of its prosumer camcorders would be inferior to the 5D MkII in the most important aspects (i.e. the image itself). On the other hand, if it made all of the concessions, then sales of the 5D would increase tenfold (maybe more). Canon lenses would also see a dramatic jump in the industry. And it would be staging a major coup in the industry. Unlike Sony and Panasonic, it doesn't have a professional camcorder line, so it would only be affecting its prosumer customer base; it wouldn't be losing the big bucks.

But I believe that what Canon is really thinking is that DSLR users would buy the 5D anyway, regardless of the movie mode, so it doesn't consider stubborn videographers to be lost customers. Even if it doesn't make any major firmware changes before the product ships, it wouldn't have lost any business than what it was expecting to have in the first place. The question before it is how much the increased business coming from videographers would offset the loss in sales to its HDV camcorders, and whether or not it is willing to accept the costs, even if the concessions would lead to profits in the long run.

Perhaps Canon is also thinking that by keeping the DSLR and prosumer camcorder lines as separate as possible at this point, videographers would be compelled to double-dip, buying the 5D for use in some situations (that don't require 24p and full manual control) while employing the full-fledged camcorders in other situations. This may not be the friendliest of business practices, but it is very smart.

Thus, I can understand why Canon is purposefully crippling its DSLR. It's the same kind of philosophy behind the first iPod with video and George Lucas's non-anamorphic, non-SE original Star Wars trilogy DVDs: Its wants the movie mode to be a value-added feature, not the main attraction. It wants to make clear that what it is selling is a DSLR first, not a revolutionary camcorder or super convergence device.
 
ydgmdlu said:
Here is Canon's dilemma: If it gives videographers what they want, then it will substantially undermine its own camcorder business.
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This keeps coming up. The simple answer is... TOO BAD. It's going to happen whether Canon wants it to or not. Maybe from Nikon, maybe from someone else, but it's going to happen. And SOON.

They can either be smart and just say, "F@ck it, lets just give them what they want", and sell a ton of cameras. Or they can continue to be the Canon that I've come to expect, and deliberately cripple their product line in order to delay the inevitable. All just to make an extra buck. If they put all their efforts into making the "perfect cam" (you know what I mean), they'd find themselves in a win-win situation.

Bottom line thinking, and exactly why over a year ago I said neither I, nor my company, will every buy a canon product again.

I hope they can change my mind on that... but it still doesn't look like they've learned. I think of Canon as the McDonald's of of the electronics "fast food chain", and so far, I've no reason to think otherwise.
 
I already told you guys it wasn't gonna be an acceptable 1080p. 720p probably. Which is probably enough for most people, anyway.

MVI_0795.jpg


Not even gonna blame the glass, cause the guy is obviously a pro and he used TOtL lenses. Shrink this down to 720 (it came from the 1080 and a cropped portion) and you've got it.

Otherwise, even HVX1080 + Adapter honestly looks better. To me anyway. Doesn't stop the 5D from being almost super cool
 
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ryan brown said:
This keeps coming up. The simple answer is... TOO BAD. It's going to happen whether Canon wants it to or not. Maybe from Nikon, maybe from someone else, but it's going to happen. And SOON.

They can either be smart and just say, "F@ck it, lets just give them what they want", and sell a ton of cameras. Or they can continue to be the Canon that I've come to expect, and deliberately cripple their product line in order to delay the inevitable. All just to make an extra buck. If they put all their efforts into making the "perfect cam" (you know what I mean), they'd find themselves in a win-win situation.

Bottom line thinking, and exactly why over a year ago I said neither I, nor my company, will every buy a canon product again.

I hope they can change my mind on that... but it still doesn't look like they've learned. I think of Canon as the McDonald's of of the electronics "fast food chain", and so far, I've no reason to think otherwise.
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RRIIGHT! We will get it from somewhere. And soon.


Kholi said:
I already told you guys it wasn't gonna be an acceptable 1080p. 720p probably. Which is probably enough for most people, anyway.

MVI_0795.jpg


Not even gonna blame the glass, cause the guy is obviously a pro and he used TOtL lenses. Shrink this down to 720 (it came from the 1080 and a cropped portion) and you've got it.

Otherwise, even HVX1080 + Adapter honestly looks better. To me anyway. Doesn't stop the 5D from being almost super cool
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Sounds like the HPX500 discussion. I'm tired of that.
 
Again, the wonderful thing is we don't have to buy this camera if we think is not "up to our level of expectations". If you are not going to get one whats the point of even talking about it. Just keep on shooting with the camera you have now.
 
Kholi said:
Otherwise, even HVX1080 + Adapter honestly looks better.
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Would it have even gotten the shot? According to Vincent, most of the video was ISO 3200*. Without a light-eating adapter.

*it seems he thinks that he shot at 1/60th while it's obviously 1/30th, so it may have actually been ISO 6400.
 
Chris_TC said:
Would it have even gotten the shot? According to Vincent, most of the video was ISO 3200*. Without a light-eating adapter.

*it seems he thinks that he shot at 1/60th while it's obviously 1/30th, so it may have actually been ISO 6400.
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Thanks for your full reminder. I think your post says everything.
 
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