The end of 35mm adapers and hv20s....

ando said:
that part has very very low rolling. just like the fisheye video

anyone cares to do a test at 640?
does it save faster? it should, it seems it's using less of the sensor (no overheating).
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Hi def saves immediately , I can shoot a video and then take a picture, no wait times.
 
Judman said:
Hi def saves immediately , I can shoot a video and then take a picture, no wait times.
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i was talking about cmos saving, less rolling shutter
not card save time

the card speed should top at 30MB/s, compatible full speed with the latest sandisk extreme III 30MB edition
http://www.photographybay.com/2008/08/26/sandisk-extreme-iii-sdhc-30mbs-edition-for-nikon-d90-video/

"The Nikon D90 has been designed to utilize an additional mode unique to these new SanDisk memory cards, a mode that ups the speed rating to the SanDisk-specified 30MB/second level. Manufacturer speed ratings are at best only a rough guide to actual in-camera performance, but at minimum it looks like SanDisk, by working directly with Nikon on the development of the D90's memory card support, may have ensured they're Extreme III 30MB/s Edition SDHC cards are the quickest in Nikon's newest digital SLR."

that's a pretty big upgrade from d80, max at ~10MB/s
 
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Haven't heard much about this 5 minute shoot time problem with people who own the camera now. Is it an issue? Does the sensor overheat, causing you to not be able to shoot for 30 minutes like some have stated?
 
dave12781 said:
Haven't heard much about this 5 minute shoot time problem with people who own the camera now. Is it an issue? Does the sensor overheat, causing you to not be able to shoot for 30 minutes like some have stated?
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Kholi mentioned it happen after a couple of hours (I believe) and after a cup of coffee it was ready again. So basically I don't think it's much of a problem.
 
To anyone with a D90: On my D80 I can go into the menu and set a shutter speed where I want the flash to pop up in auto. I have that set to 1/60. When I point the camera at anything indoors that is poorly lit, the flash pops up and I get 1/60 shutter speed everywhere as long as the flash is up. Does this trick work while recording video?
 
kevm14 said:
I like step G.

So yeah - it appears this tricks the camera into using the lowest gain possible (and slowest shutter?). I assume the immediate part upon entering live view is to not give the gain a chance to increase. But we thought -4 to -5 on the easy exposure comp meant very high shutter speeds. Or maybe the shutter changes when you enter LV but the gain stays low long enough for you to press AE-L. Confused.
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Bare with me: I figured out how to do it at a lower Exposure level.

This Camera and video = Loves Manual lenses.

More to come. As soon as I wake up.
 
John Sandel said:
Kholi & others who have posted clips:

How are you saving your clips? To a card? If so, what kind(s)?

Is the D90's AV Out jack useful?

Amazing testing, you guys. Way out ahead of anybody else on the web, from what I can tell. Remember to eat.
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HDSC 4GB SD cards for me. I have two. And the first one isn't even filled yet.

USB > PC drag and drop clips
 
I haven't had any issues with the 5 minute limit yet. I tested by going to 5 minutes in HD, but it was just sitting there, i wasn't moving the camera or anything.

From Last nights shoots, I never hit the 5 minute limit, but I recorded about 15 minutes of HD over 3 hours.
 
Looking at all the clips, it's so obvious the dynamic range, color quality, highlight handling and the sheer density of the D90 CMOS is on par with or within a few clicks of RED and other top systems. The issue is that the 720 could have been better extracted with proper formula. Graeme Nattress spoke of this. The other is skewing ( that needs to be reduced ), and we need to move to a bigger frame. I say they move to 1080 or a 2K frame and lower the skew, this will be so amazing . This is for sure going to improve with every major step. People need to start getting feedback to NIKON though. They learn from users, especially from professionals. It's nice to see such amazing DR and color for thousand bucks. Large mega pixel sensor, removable lens are the way to go.

Thanks everyone for the continued diligent testing. We all watching ya!
 
frisco said:
First off.... A thousand thanks to those of you who ran out a spent your money on opening day (takin one for the team!) than spending many hours testing and sharing...... Very Cool!

Well, Ryan Patrick O'Hara...... I think you and I can't play together.... I'm sure your a stand up dude and there is no dought you have a passion for your work.

At this point it really looks like Chase Davies and his staff did quite well with the D90 after all. Did he get all there is out of the camera.... Oh heck no....or did he break some technical rules either by not knowing or he couldn't figure out Wacky work arounds? Did he come up with some pretty OK samples for the general public.... Yah he did.

I am by no means criticizing the efforts put forth here by the testers. Just that RP O'Hara makes a comment here that I totally disagree with. And by no means am I defending the "Blunt" comment made by another poster.
I just don't want others to think RP O'Hara's comment here is the norm or correct.

I base my challenge to his comment from 25 years of testing photographic gear for manufactures and myself. Also being involved in competitive motorsports for as many years.

The very first thing one should do when testing performance on anything is to create a "Baseline" And yes that means give it optimal and repeatable circumstances and make it the best you can make it. Now you have your Baseline. Than deviate with different tests always comparing it to the Baseline. When your making advancements, that Baseline should rise or you find out what limitations you need to deal with.

The pizza video was very informative in many ways.

frisco
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The pizza video just told me that a locked down d-90 has no wobble, and the lighting looked pretty descent.

Other then that I think you are kind of right, Chase may have done a better job with that footage than as originally thought. (That's how I say you were probably right... cherish this moment frisco, I don't say it often :) ) I guess I can't use him as my inside joke punch line anymore! :(

I understand your baseline idea. It's quite standard, to be honest, I think Kholi and Zak first did test the baseline. Taking it out of the box and pointing it around the house is as baseline as I can think. When the footage of simple consumer like handheld video proved disappointing, that is when people started to worry. The pizza video proves if you lock the camera down with no movement, one of the biggest problems goes away... true, but I think a moving camera is a big priority in the professional and consumer world.

In this case, I think the baseline of optimal operation for this camera is sub-par where the baseline should have been.

To unnecessarily continue my bumbling on:

I know people want to see the optimal settings and how good it CAN look, but like someone said before, in the right hands anything can look good or find it's place. I was simply trying to convey that Kholi isn't testing pretty. He is testing the shortcomings and finding how much we can get away with. Using the car analogy, he's the crash tester, not the hired professional race car driver who takes a consumer car to Nuremberg and tries to impress everyone with lap times and performance. Obviously the race car driver can drive any car better then the average person, knowing how good it can look is up to the individual talent. Knowing the limits of the technology is helpful to everyone when they plan to use it.

I bet given enough time, I could make great things come out of that d-90, but I sure benefit from Kholi finding the limitations so I know how to approach the camera. Each camera requires it's own approach and technique.

I think we agree on more then we did before, which is good. I may have been a little to harsh when I said I learned NOTHING from the pizza, and that may have been very rude to the poster, now that I think about it. Trying to defend one's efforts by accidentally putting down anothers. For that I apologize. :beer:


Now I still have like 8 pages to read before I am caught up!
 
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Judman said:
Hey Folks.

I was behind the Low Light D90 video on the vimeo group (http://vimeo.com/1681694).

Unfortunately, I'm not totally positive of the details of the filming. The photo taken right before it had the iso of 1250, 1/125 , and 1.4. The only thing that might have changed is the shutter, but I'm pretty sure I didn't change anything.

I've got another video coming soon with more lower light shots, well lit and background noise shots too, i'll post it when it's up.


EDIT: Also, curious to know if anyone else is experiencing a lot of stubborness when exporting the movies out from imovie/fce. Tried both, and usually they will come out with audio issues, or with imovie, a lot of dropped frames and lagging.
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The quality of the low-light is so amazing. Never before at this price range. How awesome.
 
It's so cool. that one guy got such good lowlight accidentally. He said he just took some pictures then went to d-mode. Anything thought to that?
 
Judman said:
Hey Folks.

I was behind the Low Light D90 video on the vimeo group (http://vimeo.com/1681694).

Unfortunately, I'm not totally positive of the details of the filming. The photo taken right before it had the iso of 1250, 1/125 , and 1.4. The only thing that might have changed is the shutter, but I'm pretty sure I didn't change anything.

I've got another video coming soon with more lower light shots, well lit and background noise shots too, i'll post it when it's up.


EDIT: Also, curious to know if anyone else is experiencing a lot of stubborness when exporting the movies out from imovie/fce. Tried both, and usually they will come out with audio issues, or with imovie, a lot of dropped frames and lagging.
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Were you in still mode when you took the picture or Live View?
 
Car3o, did you see that post about video taping a screen and counting the bars to determine shutter? THAT is much better then the fan because you know the frequency of the tv bar very exactly.
 
hey, it was the thought that counts, but yeah, he took my idea and made it better!!!
still cool stuff.

we need to find a forum or email to get a hold of nikon for feedback.
 
The concert footage is definitely clean! It inspired me to find out how to find my own clean footages. Cause, they weren't clean in lowlight no matter what I did up until then. Also, Jud, I'm assumin' you used the kit lens? And you're at full-wide? Or are you using a different VR lens?

VR really helps, even my shakey hands.
 
I'm about to balance the D90 to my Merlin and head out for some test footage. I'll be back with my findings shortly.
 
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