See this post by Zak : http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1395015&postcount=1904
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The end of 35mm adapers and hv20s....
- Thread starter Hunter Hampton
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Tripod and Glidecam.
Anything that will stabilize the camera, basically. Which is not my hands. LOL. Even if I could hold it like you would an actual still camera it would be a lot better. Because you form a sturdier point with your arms when your elbows are tucked.
Just no way around it, you must have some way to stabilize the camera.
Anything that will stabilize the camera, basically. Which is not my hands. LOL. Even if I could hold it like you would an actual still camera it would be a lot better. Because you form a sturdier point with your arms when your elbows are tucked.
Just no way around it, you must have some way to stabilize the camera.
Zak Forsman
Major Contributor
here's a little before and after.
BEFORE KHOLI
AFTER KHOLI
BEFORE KHOLI
AFTER KHOLI
BAM! Thanks Zak!!! That's the kinda example that works. LOL. My shakey hands suck.
Wow. It's cleaner than I thought!
You can tell even in whites on the bottle that there was crazy noise. That's what I was seeing and I was VERY displeased with it.
Did you match exposure in Photoshop or merely adjust it in camera? Looks like the second one has a slightly shallower field than the first. S'why I ask. Employin' the iris more to control exposure?
SWEEEEET
Wow. It's cleaner than I thought!
You can tell even in whites on the bottle that there was crazy noise. That's what I was seeing and I was VERY displeased with it.
Did you match exposure in Photoshop or merely adjust it in camera? Looks like the second one has a slightly shallower field than the first. S'why I ask. Employin' the iris more to control exposure?
SWEEEEET
Zak Forsman
Major Contributor
in-camera. used your method first. then went back to my old method of letting the 'auto-whatever' set it before locking it in.
Zak Forsman
Major Contributor
looks cool under street lights. grainy still. but not like before. and cool.
As long as it's not as horrid as what it was before. There still might be some adjustments awaitin' in the wings. I'll keep at it tomorrow.
Thanks for posting those stills up! Much better example than crap shakey footage.
Edit: Vimeo made it - http://www.vimeo.com/1682201
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I came up with an idea to use a CRT-TV to figure out the shutter time. Play scopeNTSC.avi (10MB) on your DVD player or on a computer connected to the TV (clip is only 2 seconds long - loop it). The video contains a vertical line that moves a short step between each frame. Record the screen with the camera tilted 90 degrees so that the line will be horizontal.
If two full lines are visible then the shutter is 1/30.
If one full line is visible then the shutter is 1/60.
If half a line is visible then the shutter is 1/120,
and so forth...
I live in a PAL country. Here are my result with four different shutter times:
1/25, 1/50, 1/100, 1/200.
The equivalent NTSC-values would be:
1/30, 1/60, 1/120, 1/240.
If two full lines are visible then the shutter is 1/30.
If one full line is visible then the shutter is 1/60.
If half a line is visible then the shutter is 1/120,
and so forth...
I live in a PAL country. Here are my result with four different shutter times:
1/25, 1/50, 1/100, 1/200.
The equivalent NTSC-values would be:
1/30, 1/60, 1/120, 1/240.
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Norbert
Well-known member
bearing: Pretty darn smart. Now make it portable! 
This makes me wonder... are the easy exposure adjustment steps consistent? Or are they depending on where you lock the exposure in the first place, like on the HV20? If they are consistent you could use bearing's trick or something else to find out what shutter speed you are getting at each exposure step. Then you just need to remember the values for each step and away you go.
Kholi: You are really getting somewhere. I love the new trick you came up with. Without the grain the resolution looks a bit better. Keep it up!
Zak: Your footage makes me want the camera. Resolution and skew aside, the image looks pretty filmic even in natural light. I like the way it looks on my 28" CRT at least. It kind of resembles the footage they get from the DIY HD cameras over at dvinfo.
This makes me wonder... are the easy exposure adjustment steps consistent? Or are they depending on where you lock the exposure in the first place, like on the HV20? If they are consistent you could use bearing's trick or something else to find out what shutter speed you are getting at each exposure step. Then you just need to remember the values for each step and away you go.Kholi: You are really getting somewhere. I love the new trick you came up with. Without the grain the resolution looks a bit better. Keep it up!
Zak: Your footage makes me want the camera. Resolution and skew aside, the image looks pretty filmic even in natural light. I like the way it looks on my 28" CRT at least. It kind of resembles the footage they get from the DIY HD cameras over at dvinfo.
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First off.... A thousand thanks to those of you who ran out a spent your money on opening day (takin one for the team!) than spending many hours testing and sharing...... Very Cool!
Well, Ryan Patrick O'Hara...... I think you and I can't play together.... I'm sure your a stand up dude and there is no dought you have a passion for your work.
At this point it really looks like Chase Davies and his staff did quite well with the D90 after all. Did he get all there is out of the camera.... Oh heck no....or did he break some technical rules either by not knowing or he couldn't figure out Wacky work arounds? Did he come up with some pretty OK samples for the general public.... Yah he did.
I am by no means criticizing the efforts put forth here by the testers. Just that RP O'Hara makes a comment here that I totally disagree with. And by no means am I defending the "Blunt" comment made by another poster.
I just don't want others to think RP O'Hara's comment here is the norm or correct.
I base my challenge to his comment from 25 years of testing photographic gear for manufactures and myself. Also being involved in competitive motorsports for as many years.
The very first thing one should do when testing performance on anything is to create a "Baseline" And yes that means give it optimal and repeatable circumstances and make it the best you can make it. Now you have your Baseline. Than deviate with different tests always comparing it to the Baseline. When your making advancements, that Baseline should rise or you find out what limitations you need to deal with.
The pizza video was very informative in many ways.
frisco
Well, Ryan Patrick O'Hara...... I think you and I can't play together.... I'm sure your a stand up dude and there is no dought you have a passion for your work.
At this point it really looks like Chase Davies and his staff did quite well with the D90 after all. Did he get all there is out of the camera.... Oh heck no....or did he break some technical rules either by not knowing or he couldn't figure out Wacky work arounds? Did he come up with some pretty OK samples for the general public.... Yah he did.
I am by no means criticizing the efforts put forth here by the testers. Just that RP O'Hara makes a comment here that I totally disagree with. And by no means am I defending the "Blunt" comment made by another poster.
I just don't want others to think RP O'Hara's comment here is the norm or correct.
I base my challenge to his comment from 25 years of testing photographic gear for manufactures and myself. Also being involved in competitive motorsports for as many years.
The very first thing one should do when testing performance on anything is to create a "Baseline" And yes that means give it optimal and repeatable circumstances and make it the best you can make it. Now you have your Baseline. Than deviate with different tests always comparing it to the Baseline. When your making advancements, that Baseline should rise or you find out what limitations you need to deal with.
The pizza video was very informative in many ways.
frisco
Zak Forsman
Major Contributor
i'm adding "blunt" to the tags.
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el presidente
Well-known member
I would like like to say thanks to our PIONEER testers out there..Kholi,zak n all, Its never easy sticking your neck out to show early efforts.:beer:
I look forward to viewing all your posted footage..its helping me make an informed choice of the pros and cons of the 1st offering of this new technology...hmmm do I buy that new adapter or a d90??
I look forward to viewing all your posted footage..its helping me make an informed choice of the pros and cons of the 1st offering of this new technology...hmmm do I buy that new adapter or a d90??
No $hit Sherlock!
A really tupid post.. however coarse the sample footage are, we've all seen equally coarse footage from other cameras we've used in the past, thus the sample footage we've seen from the D90 is useful in determining how it compares to current cameras we have in our arsenal.
I like step G.
So yeah - it appears this tricks the camera into using the lowest gain possible (and slowest shutter?). I assume the immediate part upon entering live view is to not give the gain a chance to increase. But we thought -4 to -5 on the easy exposure comp meant very high shutter speeds. Or maybe the shutter changes when you enter LV but the gain stays low long enough for you to press AE-L. Confused.
John Sandel
Active member
Kholi & others who have posted clips:
How are you saving your clips? To a card? If so, what kind(s)?
Is the D90's AV Out jack useful?
Amazing testing, you guys. Way out ahead of anybody else on the web, from what I can tell. Remember to eat.
How are you saving your clips? To a card? If so, what kind(s)?
Is the D90's AV Out jack useful?
Amazing testing, you guys. Way out ahead of anybody else on the web, from what I can tell. Remember to eat.
dual
Active member
See, that's why I said Canon from the start. Apart from the rolling shutter issue I don't see an argument against revolution. I'd say we'll be able to shoot the way we've always been waiting for pretty soon.
Thanks to u guys for sharing your ideas and effort with the D90 by the way. This is not the end.
Ah hey. Could one of you guys somehow test the hdmi out. I'm really desperate to know what hdmi can do for us.
Thanks!
Thanks to u guys for sharing your ideas and effort with the D90 by the way. This is not the end.
Ah hey. Could one of you guys somehow test the hdmi out. I'm really desperate to know what hdmi can do for us.
Thanks!
Norbert
Well-known member
Not that it matters, but I did this: http://www.vimeo.com/1683941
I edited together some of the footage that Kholi and Zak shot, just for fun. Nothing new except gamma changes, saturation changes, music and titles. Maybe this camera will be good for artsy fartsy opening credits.
I edited together some of the footage that Kholi and Zak shot, just for fun. Nothing new except gamma changes, saturation changes, music and titles. Maybe this camera will be good for artsy fartsy opening credits.
Already been done. Go back to last nights posts