The end of 35mm adapers and hv20s....

John Caballero said:
Originally posted by ZAK FORNSMAN, again ZAK FORNSMAN, one more time ZAK FORNSMAN:



Wow! That shows real class, real class. I would never expect such a think from you, but we can always be proven wrong. That is precisely the reason I was not going to post again. The same thing happened to that guy earlier. The minute you disagree or decide to make a strong point egos are bruised and real colors come shining thru. Keep on working dudes, I will of course get mine ASAP and test it. At least I am happy that I will make my investment back with couple of great looking photo jobs.
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His response, while abrasive, is pretty much the response you're gonna get. Has nothing to do with bruised egos. Has to do with the fact that YOU don't have the camera and YOU want to see footage ASAP. But YOU don't understand what it is: Figuring this thing out.

Ryan is right. You would've gotten it and gone MAD with not knowing what was going on with ISO, Shutter, etc. Cause the information sure as hell isn't in the manual and nor was it online until WE (Ando, Joe, Zak, Drew, Myself) put it here.

Up until I got the camera and listed how to pin the AE-L down there were still people wondering if the exposure could be locked. Next time? You go out and spend your brain matter for others so that we can turn around and depreciate your efforts.
 
Ryan Patrick O'Hara said:
***That pizza video told me NOTHING except one setup of a slow moving action can work. Didn't tell me the limits I could take the camera, therefore is misrepresenting.***
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Actually that pizza video told me quite a bit. It showed me what great results this camera is capable of which kind of lifted my spirits in light of some of the negative comments made here by experts with high expectations. I think the D90 will be perfect for web production at the least anyway.

I'd like to thank everybody that has posted clips and for their expert opinion. It has been invaluable to me as I'm just beginning in this field and much of what you've been talking about is over my head, but I'm trying to keep up. It's obvious that many of the posters here are very knowledgeble and experienced. The fact that the D90 has even drawn your attention is a testament to it's abilities. It has come up short as you have pushed it to its limits, but it appears if it's kept within certain parameters, it can really shine. Thanks so much to all of you that put many sleepless hours into really testing this camera and holding it to the professional standards that you expect.

I will probably buy a D90, but I will wait until the realease of the new Canon D5 and see if canon really does something special at that $2,000+ price point. I would at least like to see an audio "in" jack so I can feed a mixer into it.

Thanks Kholi! You've taught me alot. Don't get discouraged.
 
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f64manray said:
Actually that pizza video told me quite a bit. It showed me what great results this camera is capable of which kind of lifted my spirits in light of some of the negative comments made here by experts with high expectations. I think the D90 will be perfect for web production at the least anyway.

I'd like to thank everybody that has posted clips and for their expert opinion. It has been invaluable to me as I'm just beginning in this field and much of what you've been talking about is over my head, but I'm trying to keep up. It's obvious that many of the posters here are very knowledgeble and experienced. The fact that the D90 has even drawn your attention is a testament to it's abilities. It has come up short as you have puhed it to its limits, but it appears if it's kept within certain parameters, it can really shine. Thanks so much to all of you that put many sleepless hours into really testing this camera and holding it to the professional standards that you expect.

I will probably buy a D90, but I will wait until the realease of the new Canon D5 and see if canon really does something special at that $2,000+ price point. I would at least like to see an audio "in" jack so I can feed a mixer into it.

Thanks Kholi! You've taught me alot. Don't get discouraged.
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I'm not discouraged, no worries. :B I'm too stupid to get discouraged. Peeved is another matter. All that aside:

I've already said that it's totally worthwhile for production that doesn't need anything more than a 480p image. It won't be an exceptional 480p, but it'll be "good enough" so long as you tailor to the Camera's temperamental behaviors. Like buyin' a little Glidecam to sit it on so that you can still do some handheld work without being tethered to a jib or sticks; the latter of which I'm not a fan of at all.

There's no reason for anyone here to get discouraged, either. I already stated in my posts and RIGHT on the vimeo page to disregard the rolling shutter and my shakey hands. I prewarned people, and threw up what I had for the wolves to feast on in the interim while I figured out settings.

And, I'm STILL sitting here trying to figure out the gain issue, especially after seeing the lowlight example that Mad just posted up.
 
Oh lord. I don't want to see footage ASAP. I wanted to see better footage. At least stable footage on a tripod because we kinda knew the rolling shutter effect really sucks on this camera. I am following what you guys are doing. I know that it would have taken me sometime to figure the controls but I have some knowledge about locking exposure thru working with my very own Nikon camera which I use to make a living with. And believe me, if i had the camera in front of me I would have tried and probably get it by now..
As soon as I get my camera I will definetly put all my brain matter into it and using 32 full years of experience in photo and video related work I will get it right as well as I know you will too.
As far as MR. FORNSMAN insult, I am a very respecful individual and what MR. FORNSMAN said was totally low class and that is a fact. Especially here, where everybody is supposed to be such professionals.
 
John Caballero said:
Originally posted by ZAK FORNSMAN, again ZAK FORNSMAN, one more time ZAK FORNSMAN:
Wow! That shows real class, real class. I would never expect such a think from you, but we can always be proven wrong. That is precisely the reason I was not going to post again. The same thing happened to that guy earlier. The minute you disagree or decide to make a strong point egos are bruised and real colors come shining thru. Keep on working dudes, I will of course get mine ASAP and test it. At least I am happy that I will make my investment back with couple of great looking photo jobs.
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John Caballero said:
As far as MR. FORNSMAN insult, I am a very respecful individual and what MR. FORNSMAN said was totally low class and that is a fact. Especially here, where everybody is supposed to be such professionals.
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in response, i'll simply quote you, "sorry to be blunt." you want to come in here and spew insults? attack the integrity of my work. that's fine. don't complain if you find yourself having had it returned in kind.

and my NAME is F O R S M A N !!!!!!!!! Now, say it!!! SAY MA NAYME!!!!!!
 
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John Caballero said:
The same thing happened to that guy earlier. The minute you disagree or decide to make a strong point egos are bruised and real colors come shining thru.
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There has been a ton of disagreement in this thread from the very beginning. That's not what you're doing. You want to treat people like crap? You want to bite the hand that feeds you? Take it someplace else.
 
Where's the night footage clip that apparently looks kind of good? I shot some more night street light footage again and it looks awful. The gain is so high that I can't even watch the whole thing.
 
Ok, you guys remember what Ayz Waraich did with the HV20 ("White Red Panic")? People were pretty excited about what he accomplished on a bare HV20, a mere 'toy'. I'm sure not long from now, someone will do the same thing again on a D90 and people will say 'he did that on a D90???'. Mark my words.
 
Venom? Please, being up front and honest about my opinions is venom? This is supposed to be a democracy were we are entitled to speak and talk about something we feel strong about. If people can't handle the thruth it is a sad commentary on them. I guess the best thing would have been to say: Oh the footage so far is looking pretty good. A tad shaky but good.
If you can't handle criticism then indeed don't post the footage.
 
i shot some footage of the night sky. looks pretty cool. you can see the stars, a helicopter (aka ghetto bird) passes thru.

also have some under streetlights. it's definitely grainy. but i dig it.
 
Car3o said:
yeah, not exactly, but a comparison to a camera that had actual shutter speed. something to compare to
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I would still say no. Sorry! I think you would have way too much trouble comparing a D-90 shutter speed to any other camcorder shutter speed.

This is because of inconsistencies other then shutter such as the rolling shutter of the D-90 and the ISO differential.

Plus you would need a hell of a trained eye.

I'd be impressed if you could. :beer:
 
Drew Ott said:
Where's the night footage clip that apparently looks kind of good? I shot some more night street light footage again and it looks awful. The gain is so high that I can't even watch the whole thing.
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You and me both. That's why I'm surprised by the concert footage from the D90 on Vimeo. Anything lowlight, even in my bedroom, looks like a gained-up travesty and I'm sure it's just because of this small little detail that I haven't figured out yet.

I do like, however, using manual lenses with this thing. Getting the Iris control back without havin' to flip through LV mode over and over is great and you just kinda use that in conjunction with the Easy Exposure adjustment.

Still learning...


Madmanden -- That's exactly what I'm saying and what I said earlier today. Doesn't matter how many shortcomings it has, someone will do something crazy with it (albeit it won't be high-res) and once again prove that it's not always the camera but who's behind it and what's in front of it.
 
f64manray said:
. . . The fact that the D90 has even drawn your attention is a testament to it's abilities. . .
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The fact that the D90 has even drawn our attention is not a testament to it's abilities, but a testament to the possibilities of recording video on a DSLR, a crucial difference, especially so in light of the D90 video mode.
 
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