The end of 35mm adapers and hv20s....

Checked my Best Buy last night. Wasn't in stock. I see now that I should have had a SKU number so they could properly look it up. I suppose that it will be everywhere by Sunday though.

Too bad that the movie mode seems to want to make things as difficult as possible. I think this cam is still a great deal for photographers though. It is basically going to give us D300 quality stills at a lower price. Did I read somewhere that there is a built-in intervalometer for time lapse? If so would one need a remote timer or does the D90 let you set things up and let 'er rip for time lapse?

I think that if I do pick one up I'll just shoot stills with it for a while, then worry about the movie mode later on. That way if I'm lovin' the still images then any disappointment with the movie mode will be softened a bit.

I have to say though, thanks so much for all the hard work Kholi. It is really appreciated. A couple questions though, have you taken any stills yet? If so, how do you like them and how do you like the camera as a straight up D-SLR?
 
Ryan Patrick O'Hara said:
Yikes, that rolling sensor is pretty bad. Man oh man.
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Hey, this rolling shutter you guys are talking about. Is it the "breaking" or "tearing" effect i see on some of the videos?

Cause thats the worst thing my film un-educated eyes see wrong. And also the whitebalance but im sure thats adjustable.
 
Sorry for my extreme lack of footage. I've been taking stills. I'm new to DSLR's and I'm still learning how to use the stills.

Anyway, I'll upload something I just took in my backyard to Vimeo. I shot in "vivid" color on one of the most detailed things I could find in my backyard. Footage is uploading to Vimeo right now.
 
Joe94 said:
I have been playing around with it a bit. Sadly I can't figure out this shutter ISO thing either. I have noticed by pointing at TV screens that the exposure seems to stay the same while the gain or ISO change. But if you change your lighting to an extreme like locking it in bright sunlight then point it at a TV the shutter has obviously changed.

I shot a resolution chart, I'll post it later when I get home. I don't have a good way to view it right now but vertical resolution seems to be about 700

Someone just needs to write a hack for this thing so we can lock it down. I could probably live with the other issues.
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Told ya man. Try out the Exposure trick I showed ya.

With the Easy Exposure adjustment. Gonna upload a clip I just shot with it in the car.
 
SaNTi said:
Hey, this rolling shutter you guys are talking about. Is it the "breaking" or "tearing" effect i see on some of the videos?

Cause thats the worst thing my film un-educated eyes see wrong. And also the whitebalance but im sure thats adjustable.
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White Balance is my fault. I just walked outside to do the shutter test. Next video employs a daylight balance and it's so spot on. Yum.

Rolling shutter is the SKEW effect going on. Check out the straight lines of the walls and square pillars as I wave the camera back and forth.

Hunter -- Yeah, that's what I thought. It looked like shutter adjustments to me and after more time playin' I'm concludin' that's exactly what it is.
 
Nektonic said:
Too bad that the movie mode seems to want to make things as difficult as possible. I think this cam is still a great deal for photographers though. It is basically going to give us D300 quality stills at a lower price. Did I read somewhere that there is a built-in intervalometer for time lapse? If so would one need a remote timer or does the D90 let you set things up and let 'er rip for time lapse?

I think that if I do pick one up I'll just shoot stills with it for a while, then worry about the movie mode later on. That way if I'm lovin' the still images then any disappointment with the movie mode will be softened a bit.

I have to say though, thanks so much for all the hard work Kholi. It is really appreciated. A couple questions though, have you taken any stills yet? If so, how do you like them and how do you like the camera as a straight up D-SLR?
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Can't answer those other questions but I can say that, despite all the shortcomings, I would still shoot a short or something on this thing. like for DVXuser fest or even just for a website promo?

There's a lot of stuff that 480p is PLENTy good for, you guys. And there's a lot of stuff this camera can offer on a budget: namely a compact 35mm "feel" without all the extra hoo-has that we've all come to love and appreciate, and STILL appreciate.

I think the Still Camera portion is just as you would expect from Nikon, but I haven't spent any considerable amount of time shootin' stills yet. Must get the hang of the video so that I can throw up a post on how to Optimize the video experience with this thing.
 
Kholi said:
White Balance is my fault. I just walked outside to do the shutter test. Next video employs a daylight balance and it's so spot on. Yum.

Rolling shutter is the SKEW effect going on. Check out the straight lines of the walls and square pillars as I wave the camera back and forth.

Hunter -- Yeah, that's what I thought. It looked like shutter adjustments to me and after more time playin' I'm concludin' that's exactly what it is.
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i'm seeing the same thing. shutter is compensating. off for a hair cut. check out the video i posted when it finishes uploading. i think it looks pretty good for a half-assed steadicam-type shot. sort of. with the 18mm its very kubrickian.
 
Thanks Kholi. I was hoping that I could use this for specific shots intercut with my A1 when I needed the low light performance of the full frame D90 sensor and better DOF control. Overall though I agree that this could work for a short or a music video.

It seems like you are getting closer to solving the manual control mysteries on this thing though. You've done a lot so far in a short amount of time. Hell, the camera isn't even officially supposed to be out until Sunday.
 
Kholi said:
There's a lot of stuff that 480p is PLENTy good for, you guys. And there's a lot of stuff this camera can offer on a budget: namely a compact 35mm "feel" without all the extra hoo-has that we've all come to love and appreciate, and STILL appreciate.
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Even downscaling to 480p using the silky smooth FIR algorithms of After Effetcs does not look fantastic, this was surprising to me to be honest, I thought you might loose much of the low resolution look, but quite a bit stepping was still evident (the inside curve of your tap in the bathroom shot for example).

Not that the D90 is a total write-off in this respect, but better results can be had with a HV30 and DOF adaptor.
 
If I had one wish it would be for Nikon to have put more info about the D-Movie mode into the manual. I don't care if it's a DSLR, once you cross into another venue you should be ready to give information on exactly what it does.

Anyway, no problem at all to those who've found my hair-brained experimenting helpful. I'm still not done with it, by any means. I need to find out if turning Auto ISO on and limiting it to 400 (wish it could be lower) actually affects the amount of gain going into the image as far as D-Movie/Video Recording goes.

If so, then we're definitely a step closer to something a bit more acceptable (at least for me) as far as image quality goes.

I've resigned myself to no 720p content from this thing. I don't mind the idea of a clean 480.
 
Lee Wilson said:
Even downscaling to 480p using the silky smooth FIR algorithms of After Effetcs does not look fantastic, this was surprising to me to be honest, I thought you might loose much of the low resolution look, but quite a bit stepping was still evident (the inside curve of your tap in the bathroom shot for example).

Not that the D90 is a total write-off in this respect, but better results can be had with a HV30 and DOF adaptor.
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I think it's gonna come down to what's acceptable for who and their operation but I don't think I would argue that the HF11 + 35mm Adapter would render "cleaner" pixels. No jaggies, etc.

However, what about image for image characteristics? All the stuff that we cry about: Bokeh, Color Rendition, etc etc.

That's still something to be considered, cause the Nikon has it it spades. Ahhh choices. They're bad for you.

No problem, Lee. LoL. Thanks for playin' with us.
 
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