John Caballero
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By the way, Lee isn't sleeping, or going to the bathroom or shopping! He is lying!! I saw his, (and a lot of them), postings in another forum!!! He is actually spending time with other guys and girls somewhere else.
The end of 35mm adapers and hv20s....
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Park Edwards
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Less than 4days away...not weeks.
John Caballero
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Pappas did you see this?: http://www.vimeo.com/1653911 Look what he did to the foggy window footage? I think thats pretty good.
Zak Forsman
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Pappas, can you hear me?
John Caballero
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He is taking a nap!
PappasArts
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Im back.
Yes I saw that video. That window went from a bad day in the LA skyline to edgy contrasty look. Like it....
Yes I saw that video. That window went from a bad day in the LA skyline to edgy contrasty look. Like it....
John Caballero
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Thats a good sign for the MJPEG codec I think.
PappasArts
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I agree.......
Mjpeg is not bad like some like to paint it out to be. Yeah there's better, however many have learned to stretch it. Im hoping that firmware upgrades wiil
give us the fine turning of D-movie like maybe even better compression. One thing is for sure, the 12.3MP CMOS in the D90 is super super clean and this benifits
the Mjpeg compression scheme. There is also a ( LO ) mode which is a 100iso that's even cleaner. So the possiblilties are there. I took some files and upped them to 1920x1080. It holds up well.
The fact that the camera starts out with such a high res image allows you to float up a little better than if it was low res from the censor capture. This was proved over at REDuser I believe ,
that if you took a 4k image down, you could go back up with not such a major hit cause the original was large at the begining.
Mjpeg is not bad like some like to paint it out to be. Yeah there's better, however many have learned to stretch it. Im hoping that firmware upgrades wiil
give us the fine turning of D-movie like maybe even better compression. One thing is for sure, the 12.3MP CMOS in the D90 is super super clean and this benifits
the Mjpeg compression scheme. There is also a ( LO ) mode which is a 100iso that's even cleaner. So the possiblilties are there. I took some files and upped them to 1920x1080. It holds up well.
The fact that the camera starts out with such a high res image allows you to float up a little better than if it was low res from the censor capture. This was proved over at REDuser I believe ,
that if you took a 4k image down, you could go back up with not such a major hit cause the original was large at the begining.
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Helooka Likeaman
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Response from NIKON!!!!
Response from NIKON!!!!
Got a response from Nikon and rather than retype I'm gonna be lazy and cut and paste but hopefully this will put at least one hugely debated question to rest. I know there are like a zillion things I left out from all the previous posts but I didn't want to overwhelm David so I just asked the one question that seemed to be popping up again and again.
Nikon's initial response:
HI
Thanks for the question. There are so many web sites we simply cannot participate in them all unfortunately, but if you have specific questions we'd be happy to answer them. Thanks
-David
My response/question:
Hello David,
Thank you for the response. The most asked question appears to be: "Is the exposure lockable while in movie mode?" Now I believe in your literature it states that it does lock but apparently there are a number of clips from the D90 out there on the web that show the exposure jump when (for example) someone goes from daylight into a shaded area, rather than staying constant the exposure compensates for the lack of light.
It would be great if you could explain how the exposure lock works during movie mode - does it need to be depressed the entire time you are shooting your movie or is it a lockable switch? Or is the exposure lock disabled during movie mode as are other features such as auto focus? As I said clarification on this topic is one of the main issues of this thread and if it could be cleared up by a Nikon representative that would be great!
Again, thank you for your time.
Sincerely,
Rob Wagner
Nikon's reply:
HI
First, while the D90 offers the amazing ability to shoot video it is not a full-featured video camera and does lack some of the controls of a dedicated video camera.
The D90 uses an Auto Gain feature to change the exposure as the lighting changes, but the exposure can be locked using the "AE Lock" button which has several modes. In one mode you push and hold the button to lock exposure or you can set the button to lock when pressed until it's pressed again.
Hope this helps.
-David
Like the man said, hope this helps!
Response from NIKON!!!!
Got a response from Nikon and rather than retype I'm gonna be lazy and cut and paste but hopefully this will put at least one hugely debated question to rest. I know there are like a zillion things I left out from all the previous posts but I didn't want to overwhelm David so I just asked the one question that seemed to be popping up again and again.
Nikon's initial response:
HI
Thanks for the question. There are so many web sites we simply cannot participate in them all unfortunately, but if you have specific questions we'd be happy to answer them. Thanks
-David
My response/question:
Hello David,
Thank you for the response. The most asked question appears to be: "Is the exposure lockable while in movie mode?" Now I believe in your literature it states that it does lock but apparently there are a number of clips from the D90 out there on the web that show the exposure jump when (for example) someone goes from daylight into a shaded area, rather than staying constant the exposure compensates for the lack of light.
It would be great if you could explain how the exposure lock works during movie mode - does it need to be depressed the entire time you are shooting your movie or is it a lockable switch? Or is the exposure lock disabled during movie mode as are other features such as auto focus? As I said clarification on this topic is one of the main issues of this thread and if it could be cleared up by a Nikon representative that would be great!
Again, thank you for your time.
Sincerely,
Rob Wagner
Nikon's reply:
HI
First, while the D90 offers the amazing ability to shoot video it is not a full-featured video camera and does lack some of the controls of a dedicated video camera.
The D90 uses an Auto Gain feature to change the exposure as the lighting changes, but the exposure can be locked using the "AE Lock" button which has several modes. In one mode you push and hold the button to lock exposure or you can set the button to lock when pressed until it's pressed again.
Hope this helps.
-David
Like the man said, hope this helps!
ryan brown
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Nice. The gain doesn't make much sense, but that is definitely not what we've been seeing with the flicker flash. Hopefully the gain can't go up to high as to add noise to the picture when shooting in low light. From the clips we've seen, I don't think there will be a problem. Thanks for that... I'm putting my D80 on craigslist tonight.
PappasArts
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Like I said the menu has a HOLD and LOCK option! I think it just factory ships in hold that's why we keep seeing the footage like we do. Funny thing is put on Nikkor all manual lenses and your using the ( M ) mode and the D90 is all manual. So many options.
Anyhow,
Good work, thanks for getting the official statement from Nikon. We should keep this on hand to stamp out the ( exposure lock FUD ) from now on.
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Anyhow,
Good work, thanks for getting the official statement from Nikon. We should keep this on hand to stamp out the ( exposure lock FUD ) from now on.
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John Caballero
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Thank you Rob, that is great news. Maybe some of the early shooters did not know or didn't find it necessary for some reason to either hold the button while shooting or even know how to used the mode where you pressed to lock it then pressed to unlock it. Can't wait.
PappasArts
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Nikon uses auto gain to describe the gain up on aperture and shutter not ISO. Were just used that crap from camcorders. In ( A ) mode ISO and all settings float up or down. Though you still can lock the ISO even is ( A ) too, Anyhow, it's all good news.
Even in the Nikon commercial filmed using the D90, the main camera never deviates, only the camera that showed the LCD screen to reveal the camera filming did. The main D90 holds it exposure the whole time even though it presented varying degrees of brightness changes film a D90 spinning...
Even in the Nikon commercial filmed using the D90, the main camera never deviates, only the camera that showed the LCD screen to reveal the camera filming did. The main D90 holds it exposure the whole time even though it presented varying degrees of brightness changes film a D90 spinning...
PappasArts
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Because it ships that way. The problem is, these new cameras get in the wrong hands. Most people don't get in the menus to set the camera. They use it in Factory settings. This drives me nuts cause you have to explain to them that the camera is fine, it's the fact your not custom setting up is the problem.
Another thing is, if this camera didn't do HD, this wouldn't be noticed at all, it's because motion pictures show this fluctuation in exposure.
John Caballero
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All this new cameras have so many bells and whistles is pretty crazy. To be able to set them to their maximum performance takes a while. I guess thats a result of so much competion between manufacturers. Now the next question is why was some of that footage wobbling like crazy while other was so much steadier. I would also like to know how a slow SD card affects footage.
??? That seems like an odd claim to make. How do you know what shots were using the 'main camera' and what was a secondary or B-camera?
There are certainly more exposure changes than just the one you're describing. Were none of those shot with the "main camera"?
PappasArts
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Oh hell SD cards are so cheap in cost, just buy the fastest. I spent crap loads for overpriced P2 cards for my HVX200. Fast SD cards feel almost free after dealing with that. LOL
Any ideas though on good SD cards?
Any ideas though on good SD cards?
Park Edwards
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RED just announced they'll have Auto Exposure in all their newest builds. But I think there's a bit of relief hearing that the exposure, once again, proved to be a lockable feature.
Lee Wilson
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I am currently posting on 31 forums, I like to spread myself thin.
PappasArts
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I consider the main camera the one revealed in the shot filming the rotating platform. The point is, in all that product shot with dramatic shifts of
brightness and darkness that D90 never changed exposure, unlike the one that was the camera to film the LCD screen on tilt up to the camera under lights.
Pretty self explanatory..........
Look at the commercial for yourself.
http://www.nikonproducts.co.uk/d90-video.aspx
Of-course this is all moot now, we have confirmation from Nikon on the exposure lock which indirectly supports my findings through observation of the commercial...
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