The end of 35mm adapers and hv20s....

I think the reason to why images looks soft is the high JPEG compression. My D40 still camera saves about 2-6 bits/pixel (depending on how complex the picture is) in the default mode. The skateboard clip got about 0.6 bits/pixel. Thats a big difference. I recompressed a D40 still to about 0.6 bits/pixel. It looks softer and JPEG-blocks are visible.

I noticed that the clip from dpreview called DSC_0165.AVI got about 1.0 bits/pixel, that's probably because it contains a more complex scene than others. JPEG-blocks are still visible though.
 
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dave12781 said:
Circuit City says September 7th... but now BH is saying October? How is it possible that they wouldn't know by now? Anyone else see anything more informative?
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BH says October for for the "camera body only" ($999). the D90 with lens ($1299) says September.
 
someone seriously needs to nail down whether or not the exposure can be locked. don't just tell me, show me.
 
Kholi said:
Someone said: The PQ (picture quality) doesn't come close to the current crop of HDV/HD Cameras.
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That was probably me - and I stand by that comment. From what I can tell so far from the footage we have seen - the PQ is certainly below that of, for instance, a FX1 or HV30 with a lens adaptor (I agree with your point that it is only really relevant to compare 'apples to apples') - But as far as I can see we still have not had sufficient footage, shot by someone who knows the camera well and in ideal circumstances.

Kholi said:
I can't see anywhere, even in the "bad" clips, that the image quality from the current crop of cameras exceeds the D90's image.
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I am genuinely perplexed that people here cannot see the shimmering poor aliasing on the head of the penguin (I think it is a baby penguin) on the original camera file over on dpreview - or the poor aliasing on the pebbles in the upper right hand side of the duck shot - or they cannot see the poor detail/facet/median type look to the clips ?

Perhaps there are in camera settings yet to be gone through, but so far as I can see the quality is without a doubt lesser than any of the recent HDV offerings from Canon or Sony (taking your lens adaptor proviso into account).

I haven't got any good footage on hand to make a decent comparison, but here I am trying to show the 'median filter' effect I can see in the footage, I realise it would be a lot better to find similar footage.

Three images, all 1:1 pixel size from RAW (ungraded) files - saved as maximum quality JPEG files (although ultimately lossy - the high JPEG setting is pretty much identical to the original source files and any degradation from the original is equally applicable to both cameras).

Left: what I had to do to the HV30 original to get it to match the D90 - Centre: original 1:1 pixel D90 crop - Right: original HV30 1:1 pixel crop
(I might have pushed the 'look' a little too far, but I hope you get the idea).

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Same deal - with another HV30 source:

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And again, but blow up 200% (nearest neighbor/no interpolation/2x2 pixel matrix)

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SOURCE FILES:

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Kholi said:
I'll reserve FINAL judgement for this Sunday.
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Me too ! And I am hoping once on of you guys has picked up one of these you can show us some better footage.
 
I will reserve all judgment until this camera gets into the talented hands of someone who knows what they're doing. All the footage I have seen looks like it was shot on the fly by someone who has no clue what they are doing.
 
the exposure "can" be locked...it's been confirmed by the guy who uploaded the footage to vimeo who went to the trade show or whatever. you just "might" have to hold down the AE-L button. that has not been confirmed.
 
Zak Forsman said:
someone seriously needs to nail down whether or not the exposure can be locked. don't just tell me, show me.
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In the menu it has options for Hold and Lock. Hold is you remove your finger to capture quick on the fly readings as your shooting. I believe the D90 ships in Hold mode unlike lock mode. 99.08.02.001% sure with a slight error to me being wrong.....ofcourse! Hmmmm
 
Car3o said:
the exposure "can" be locked...it's been confirmed by the guy who uploaded the footage to vimeo who went to the trade show or whatever. you just "might" have to hold down the AE-L button. that has not been confirmed.
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yeah but even he did lock it when he had the opportunity to shoot some footage. which is fine. i'm just waiting for some to prove it before i drive down to circuit city on sunday.

kholi, let me know when you're going. i'll meet up with you.

PappasArts said:
In the menu it has options for Hold and Lock. Hold is you remove your finger to capture quick on the fly readings as your shooting. I believe the D90 ships in Hold mode unlike lock mode. 99.08.02.001% sure with a slight error to me being wrong.....ofcourse! Hmmmm
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i know. the fear i'm having is that despite all the menu settings available as a DSLR, that the camera might override all those settings in D-Movie Mode. that's why i'm waiting for visual confirmation.
 
Car3o said:
man, i kept telling myself the entire time "it wold be sweet if they filmed this with the camera".....nice is all i have to say
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That's what I was thinking too, and then BOOM , we just happen to have shot this piece with our own HD camera. Right on Nikon! How awesome is that. The D90 is also going to appeal to those people who do product shots, as this commercial demonstrates.


* NIKONS NEW COMMERCIAL FOR THE D90. NIkon is sure making a step into new directions. *

http://www.nikonproducts.co.uk/d90-video.aspx




Pappas
 
It's been a few days, but I never saw the exposure jump in the footage in china with people walking around in the building? Was it me?
 
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