Bigger HD in AJ-PCS060G P2 Drive

I understand Panasonic's concerns on the issue of upgrade. It would be terrific if they would change their tune and provide a path for upgrade.

If they provide the HDD and upgrade service through authorized service centers, the only limiting factor would be whether the end-user wishes to spend the money.

It is disingenuous to say "we should have known" we were purchasing an obsolete device - especially one that is still offered in the first-hand market as new. Panasonic has had a charted path for memory size of the P2 card since its announcement. Did they not see that one of the first two P2 products/ devices had a limited functionality horizon? Sure they did. And still do.

Imagine a scenario where Panasonic told every HVX200 owner (again, the early adopters) that nothing bigger than a 4GB card would work in their cameras? That they'd decided not to write new firmware for this? Of course, this is less probable and didn't happen.

HVX200 owners were also left out of the 5-year warranty. These few niggling items lead me to believe that there is a system-wide cavalier attitude toward the early adopters of P2. Being told that, in today's P2 world, I don't need the P2Store anymore is, frankly, maddening. Using our batching laptop deep in the field isn't always an option. Neither is carrying twenty "raw stock" 32GB cards at $1600 a pop.

P2 is a terrific technology and I've personally championed the format to the tune of dozens of clients since we were one of the first companies to adopt it. That a device like the P2Store, which is incredibly reliable in my experience, is being left behind for no good reason is unfortunate and doesn't paint Panasonic in a perfect light.

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Point well made... I feel that Panasonic had great ambitions when they conceived this P2 child, but it seems they have a bit of adjusting now that it's main stream and since others have adopted the solid state workflow.

We'll see what happens come year end...
 
Maybe when the 64GB P2 Card is released panasonic will provide an update, as all cameras have to update their firmware. ;)

That would be really great.
 
The P2 Store is, for all practical purposes, and end-of-life product. It served its purpose, it was a band-aid to get past the 4GB and 8GB days. A single 64GB card is bigger than an entire P2 Store, so yeah, it makes really no sense to bother with the P2 Store anymore if someone is buying modern cards.

As for updating the drive -- they've never given the slightest inclination that they'd ever consider this. Their response was to introduce the P2 Gear instead, which would never be limited by internal drive size because it can bus-power external USB hard drives, and with 320GB drives available for $120, really the P2 Store makes no sense in a modern workflow. The P2 Gear is awesome, if overpriced. If it was $1995 they'd sell a million of 'em for this exact purpose. It does everything the P2 Store does and a hundred things it doesn't. If you want safe/secure offloads, it does that, plus with the ability to view the thumbnails of the offloaded clips, bring the clips back in off the hard disk, name the hard disk partitions so you never see "no name" again, plus provides firewire input to HD output so you can use it as a Kona or MXO type of card, plus it's a waveform and vectorscope...

The P2 Store will do the job you bought it for, yes. But going forward, the P2 Store is old news, and the P2 Gear does everything the Store did but tremendously better. It just costs a lot, is all.
 
I've worked with The P2 Store for almost 2 years and it did well for us. Most of the time by the end of the day we had a full P2 Store + our 3 full 8 gig Cards.
Since all this footage was capture on the go, verite doc style, the whole laptop idea was not an option.
The simple true is that if just Panasonic had created an upgradable option of the P2 Store I'll be considering using it once again, instead for another 2 weeks shoot in similar situations the client suggested tape (I agreed btw) and we shot with HDX900.
I'm sure that companies like Panasonic have their reasons to do as they but as far as rationality goes...
 
Barry, do you know if is possible USB bus power a portable drive from the USB connection on the P2 Gear?
 
Yes, the P2 Gear can do that. It can't bus-power a firewire drive but it can bus-power a USB drive.

This is something I can't understand. Why limit the bus power to USB? Firewire has always been the standard for digital video, due to the stability of the stream. Why insist on favouring USB? Sorry to rant, but it seems Panasonic had a bias to USB in its P2 products. The P2 store is ridiculously USB slow (specially for mac systems). I also remember they had the card reader being USB2, which was slow, making them come up with a firewire 800 option...

This would be acceptable if the P2 gear was a sub 1000 USD product (and even then it would be pushing it) , but its a much more expensive item.

Sincerely, I believe used HVX200's will serve a better value field dumping alternative than the P2 gear in the near future. They can actually shoot beautiful pictures while not performing this duty!
 
This is something I can't understand. Why limit the bus power to USB? Firewire has always been the standard for digital video, due to the stability of the stream. Why insist on favouring USB? Sorry to rant, but it seems Panasonic had a bias to USB in its P2 products.

Because the power consumption on various 1394 drives varies so much there was no way to put one power supply in that would cover them all. And so instead of having to man the phone bank for why doesn't my drive work, they chose not to put it there. The bias on USB is because there is an ACK/NAK protocol in USB. 1394 does not care whether the other end got it, it just goes.

Sincerely, I believe used HVX200's will serve a better value field dumping alternative than the P2 gear in the near future. They can actually shoot beautiful pictures while not performing this duty!

But the HVX200 cannot do a number of things that I can do with the P2 Gear. One would be to be a transcode device on the way out of the lapto to a monitor. Another would be for metadata input. Another would be to name the partitions on the drives, and review the clips and thumbnails on the drive after transfer. Another would be to offer a play station with HDSDI out. You can buy a 1394/USB pocket dirve, I have one, it is made by Iomega. I use the USB in the field and hook the 1394 back in the NLE suite.

And it could even format a RAID 1 set of drives from WeibeTech and write the same data to both drives in the same time it takes to make one copy. That drive the Silver Sata II needed to supply its own power though. But it sure was cool.

Best,

Jan
 
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