Panasonic Unveils Pricing And Ship Date For Ag-hmc150

Avid can not nativity edit AVCHD - it needs transcoded to DVCPRO HD.

If I did not want variable frame rate I would take this over the the 170. Killer price.

I imagine this could be a good B cam for HPX?????

Time will answer all my questions.

Thanks for the updates.
 
Jack Daniel Stanley said:
What I'd like is an HMC150 that says HPX170 on the side. :)

You know, for clients.

I'm sure the AVCHD will be more than fine. My concern is right now, all the want ads/gigs are for an HVX ... will they now be for HVX, 170's and 150's ... or just for HVX's and 170's, with the 150 seen as not quite pro .... dunno.
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I think, or should I say 'hope', that with the addition of more AVC HD camcorders, AVC HD will come to be seen as the replacement for HDV, and will carry the same 'professionalism' that some HDV camcorders do. It can do everything HDV can (compress efficiently, record on cheap media) better. And, the only notable flaws that AVC HD has (long-GOP, motion artifacts) are flaws that HDV shares. All people need to do is recognize that.
 
Jack Daniel Stanley said:
What I'd like is an HMC150 that says HPX170 on the side. :)

You know, for clients.

I'm sure the AVCHD will be more than fine. My concern is right now, all the want ads/gigs are for an HVX ... will they now be for HVX, 170's and 150's ... or just for HVX's and 170's, with the 150 seen as not quite pro .... dunno.
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I am not familiar with shooting for clients that ask for a specific camera. They really care about what HD cam you shoot with? I do a lot of rap videos and most of them don't care about anything except how many women I can get them. Usually about 30.

It may be a safer bet for me just to get the 170 and call it a day. The Scarlet looks promising but I just don't know enough about the 2k, 3k, 4k stuff to even know how much more money I would need for the right work flow.
 
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ZazaCast said:
I want one of these... I don't need one...but I want one!
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Thanks, that was my inspiration for my own version of what Panasonic's ad should say...

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Bob Diaz
 
In terms of compression efficiency. AVC is two to 2.5 times more efficient than MPEG-2, so 24mbps of AVC-HD should compare very favorably, and probably exceed, 35mbps of MPEG-2.
 
PerroneFord said:
Quite true, which is why I said it depends. I think in time, mpeg4 will supersede mpeg2 for capture, but the AVCHD recording spec needs some revision.
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According to Sony, 9 megabits of AVC already performs comparably to 25 megabits of MPEG-2. 24 megabits should be fantastic.
 
Barry_Green said:
According to Sony, 9 megabits of AVC already performs comparably to 25 megabits of MPEG-2. 24 megabits should be fantastic.
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What I am curious about is if that 25 megabits of Mpeg2 is before or after the codec improvements in Mpeg2 that we've seen recently. I don't think anyone could argue that the latest HDV cameras look a LOT better than the original generation. The codec has been improved markedly. I think that is why the 35 Mbps of XDCam can look as good as it does.

I agree though, 24 Mbps of AVCHD should look fantastic.
 
PerroneFord said:
What I am curious about is if that 25 megabits of Mpeg2 is before or after the codec improvements in Mpeg2 that we've seen recently. I don't think anyone could argue that the latest HDV cameras look a LOT better than the original generation. The codec has been improved markedly. I think that is why the 35 Mbps of XDCam can look as good as it does.
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It's Sony's claim, so you'd have to ask them.

H.264 is inherently fantastically more efficient than MPEG-2. Whatever improvements MPEG-2 could make, AVC could exceed.
 
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Originally Posted by jason.adams
Avid can not nativity edit AVCHD - it needs transcoded to DVCPRO HD.

Video Tutorial: Panasonic AVCHD with the Avid Media Composer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clfVn6YXnc4
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Thanks for the link DC, but that was what I was getting at. The Transcodes from AVC to DVCPRO HD is about realtime.

SO 4 hours of source material - will take at least 4 hours to transcode.
If Avid starts supporting natively like DVCPRO HD I just might get one of these also.

Appreciate the link to the tutorial.
 
is it still true that FCP studio 2 forces a transcode to Pro-res or the like? Or can it finally work with the avc-hd directly? Thanks... I'm on the fence of this and scarlet right now.. trying to put together work-flows for each. Thanks much.

CB
 
XD Cam is only HDV on a coctail of uppers and downers. AVC is the way forward. Amusing that they chirp about P2 being old technology when they still flying the HDV Flag. Pity Cannon didn't just make the A1 record onto it's sd card slot... That would have nailed the sony coffin...
 
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