ProfessorU
Veteran
Also, 384kbps audio does not a professional camera make.
Some idiot says the HVX is not really DVCProHD?!
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Chris Santucci
Veteran
Some people only look at numbers when talking about cameras, especially prosumer cameras. That kind of qualitative judgement is much akin to using genital size as an indicator of male superiority.
Most of us are the choir already, and I'll gladly shoot with the "inferior" HVX200 with the sub-HD chipset because it just plain looks better than the other stuff.
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Most of us are the choir already, and I'll gladly shoot with the "inferior" HVX200 with the sub-HD chipset because it just plain looks better than the other stuff.
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Nexis
Well-known member
I've heard these unfounded and ignorant "complaints" about the HVX so many time before it's REALLY getting on my nerves. In fact, I had a debate just a week ago with a so-called DP who was saying the same thing.
I like to call a spade a spade, and people who spout crap like that without bothering to inform themselves are unmitigated jerks.
I like to call a spade a spade, and people who spout crap like that without bothering to inform themselves are unmitigated jerks.
Ted Spencer
Veteran
It's annoying. Many of us bought the camera for another reason though. The image. Kinda ends the nonsense right there for me...
erniediaz
Well-known member
If you think that there are idiots who "teach" something without knowing nothing, here in my country, I have "fighted" for about 3
years tryng to make understand about "DVCPro HD vs HDV" to a whole industry, academy and "professionals" in TV and Cinema.
This is one of my arguments.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDV
Name of specification HDV 720p HDV 1080i
Media DV or MiniDV Tape
Video
Video signal 720/60p, 720/30p, 720/50p, 720/25p (720/24p) 1080/60i, 1080/50i (1080/30p, 1080/25p, 1080/24p)
Frame size in pixels 1280 x 720 1440 x 1080
Frame aspect ratio 16x9
Video Compression MPEG2 Video (profile & level: MP@HL) MPEG2 Video (profile & level: MP@H-14)
Sampling frequency for
luminance 74.25 MHz 55.6875 MHz
Chroma sampling format 4:2:0
Quantization 8 bits (both luminance and chrominance)
Compressed video
bitstream rate ~19.7 Mbit/s ~25 Mbit/s
Data format MPEG-2 system
years tryng to make understand about "DVCPro HD vs HDV" to a whole industry, academy and "professionals" in TV and Cinema.
This is one of my arguments.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDV
Name of specification HDV 720p HDV 1080i
Media DV or MiniDV Tape
Video
Video signal 720/60p, 720/30p, 720/50p, 720/25p (720/24p) 1080/60i, 1080/50i (1080/30p, 1080/25p, 1080/24p)
Frame size in pixels 1280 x 720 1440 x 1080
Frame aspect ratio 16x9
Video Compression MPEG2 Video (profile & level: MP@HL) MPEG2 Video (profile & level: MP@H-14)
Sampling frequency for
luminance 74.25 MHz 55.6875 MHz
Chroma sampling format 4:2:0
Quantization 8 bits (both luminance and chrominance)
Compressed video
bitstream rate ~19.7 Mbit/s ~25 Mbit/s
Data format MPEG-2 system
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mpalmer12345
Well-known member
Hm, I bought it to meet chicks.
This is not an argument.
but the HVX is wider.... and thats what counts....
Back on track, all the companies like to start numbers wars.
Panasonic is not immune. They just stress DVCPROHD as superior in place of its Chipset as being "superior".
So its 6 of one half dozen of another. Either you get a GREAT camera head, like the XLH1, EX1, HD200U etc... or you get a wicked recording format.... 100mbs DVCPROHD. Lucky for us, Cinemform i think is coming out with a SDI => Cineform 422, recoding box. its the size of a pack of cigs, and records to compact flash drives.
Whic will really make the better camera head the winner. The EX1 and the HPX170 will become even greater machines... Imagine recording the HPX170 with no Subsample? just a real raw 1080p image? i thin alot of the qualms about its "resolution" will vanish when we get 1/3 more pixel resolution.
Back on track, all the companies like to start numbers wars.
Panasonic is not immune. They just stress DVCPROHD as superior in place of its Chipset as being "superior".
So its 6 of one half dozen of another. Either you get a GREAT camera head, like the XLH1, EX1, HD200U etc... or you get a wicked recording format.... 100mbs DVCPROHD. Lucky for us, Cinemform i think is coming out with a SDI => Cineform 422, recoding box. its the size of a pack of cigs, and records to compact flash drives.
Whic will really make the better camera head the winner. The EX1 and the HPX170 will become even greater machines... Imagine recording the HPX170 with no Subsample? just a real raw 1080p image? i thin alot of the qualms about its "resolution" will vanish when we get 1/3 more pixel resolution.
TedRR
Well-known member
This is where I gotta join in and dissagree.
You should sing his name AND companie's name loudly and often. This is barely a step better than those companies selling HVX's for $2,000.
Expose their arse quickly and often.
I'm really sensitive to salesmen that speak so strongly about something they, at best don't know, or more likely are intentionally misrepresenting to move product or get a higher commission.
My daughter was buying a $1,000 laptop just last week. Thank God she called me after not believing the salesman. I got him on the phone, caught him in 3 lies on the first 3 questions he gave answers to.
Bust these jackarses!!! :kali:
Sorry, off my soapbox.
At least you have this forum to get all the answers.
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Michael T
Well-known member
I have a friend that owns a rental company and he owns a FX1 and Z1 and a JVC 100, so I got to see enough footage of hdv to make up my mind and after looking at the footage that was being produced from the HVX on this site I bought the HVX because the picture tells all. I love sony stuff but both cameras look very flat to me and I love the look of the dvcpro 100 and 50. I have even been impressed shooting to tape doing a dance recital that was quite dark and this camera performed much better than I expected it to going to tape. My friend went out and bought a HVX 200 for his business after looking at the footage from this site and never looked back for his own projects. He rents the other camers but uses the HVX200 for his projects most of the time. He does have a digibeta but its big and costs a lot more to run. With digital media and the size being small as it is its a great camera that produces a 4:2:2 picture and pro audio. I love my camera.
Kevin Shaw
Member
It sounds like the salesman was referring to the relatively soft images produced by the HVX200 due to its low resolution sensors, with recorded footage having tested resolution of ~540 TV lines. Technically this isn't full HD quality and there are sharper cameras in the same price range, but resolution isn't everything.
If you're shopping for a camera the main competitor to the HVX200 is the Sony EX1, which has several practical advantages including larger, higher resolution sensors and a more advanced lens system. But as others here will tell you the HVX200 has a more robust recording codec and a different look to recorded footage which some will find preferable, and that's something numbers can't tell you.
If you're shopping for a camera the main competitor to the HVX200 is the Sony EX1, which has several practical advantages including larger, higher resolution sensors and a more advanced lens system. But as others here will tell you the HVX200 has a more robust recording codec and a different look to recorded footage which some will find preferable, and that's something numbers can't tell you.