David W. Richardson
Chapelgrove Films
Or hire someone to put in the muzzle flashes for you. Can't cost much. Certainly a lot less than it will cost to settle lawsuits.
Good luck!
Good luck!
Blank-firing weapons - requirements
- Thread starter Cinderwolf
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I always thought Canada and Australia had similar gun controls. Maybe wrong, but here if you use a replica of any kind you are required to have a licensed armorer on set. Not that everyone does, especially budget shoots.
David W. Richardson
Chapelgrove Films
Yes.....that's why I went on to say "You're right that when used properly, such guns are safe. But people are notoriously stupid and like to clown around if they feel there is no danger. Education is critical."
David W. Richardson
Chapelgrove Films
It be okay. 
stage_armament_solutions
Member
Hi David - just to close the loop, the person you were referencing with the "blank gun to the head" was the Jon-Erik Hexum I mentioned earlier.
It should be noted that it wasn't a purpose-built blank gun like a Kimar or Bruni; it was a standard "real" revolver loaded with blank rounds.
Purpose-built blank guns do have the barrels blocked and are designed to vent the blast and gases away from the line of aim. With the revolvers the blast hits the solid front of the frame (where normally would be a hole down the barrel) and vents to either side. Therefore the gun should not be held in such a way that the shooter's hands are near the cylinder or in front of it. Also nearby actors should be aware of the direction the blast is actually coming from.
The semi-auto pistol types usually vent out the top of the frame directly in front of the chamber. This pretty safe for the user usually, and for other actors nearby, but it does play hell in post trying to erase that very odd-looking blast coming from the "wrong" part of the gun.
GageFX - hearing the Brandon story directly from the working guys is probably going to be as close to the truth (other than taking into account the CYA factor) as anybody will ever know.
Although I'm sorry for the original poster because his original question can't seem to be answered, this discussion sure has taken some interesting turns, and I am very happy indeed to see several people share their concerns for safety on a set, and a healthy respect for potential harm.
It should be noted that it wasn't a purpose-built blank gun like a Kimar or Bruni; it was a standard "real" revolver loaded with blank rounds.
Purpose-built blank guns do have the barrels blocked and are designed to vent the blast and gases away from the line of aim. With the revolvers the blast hits the solid front of the frame (where normally would be a hole down the barrel) and vents to either side. Therefore the gun should not be held in such a way that the shooter's hands are near the cylinder or in front of it. Also nearby actors should be aware of the direction the blast is actually coming from.
The semi-auto pistol types usually vent out the top of the frame directly in front of the chamber. This pretty safe for the user usually, and for other actors nearby, but it does play hell in post trying to erase that very odd-looking blast coming from the "wrong" part of the gun.
GageFX - hearing the Brandon story directly from the working guys is probably going to be as close to the truth (other than taking into account the CYA factor) as anybody will ever know.
Although I'm sorry for the original poster because his original question can't seem to be answered, this discussion sure has taken some interesting turns, and I am very happy indeed to see several people share their concerns for safety on a set, and a healthy respect for potential harm.
David W. Richardson
Chapelgrove Films
Since the original poster specifically wanted a gun for the purposes of creating muzzle flash out the front of the barrel, the only thing I can think of that he could use for that purpose would be a real gun firing blanks. As we've said, blank-firing pistols don't have a muzzle flash out the front of the barrel. So that's why I tell the tales of caution.
Thanks for the info!
David
Canadian Airgun laws
Canadian Airgun laws
Just an FYI for airgun Laws in Canada I hve have noticed some confusion. If the airgun fires a projectile ( either by altering the air gun or if it was manufactured that o thoes specs) at a velocity of 152.4 meters/sec. (500 feet/sec) as this is the standard by which the law see iminent death or serious bodily harm occuring.
As well any thing that can fire a projectile in which THE PROJECTILE was either manufactured or altered so that it may exceed a velocity of 152.4 meters/sec (500 feet/sec.)
Many outdoors stores sell very realistic airguns where only criteria is 18 and over. NO REGISTERING.
Canadian Airgun laws
Just an FYI for airgun Laws in Canada I hve have noticed some confusion. If the airgun fires a projectile ( either by altering the air gun or if it was manufactured that o thoes specs) at a velocity of 152.4 meters/sec. (500 feet/sec) as this is the standard by which the law see iminent death or serious bodily harm occuring.
As well any thing that can fire a projectile in which THE PROJECTILE was either manufactured or altered so that it may exceed a velocity of 152.4 meters/sec (500 feet/sec.)
Many outdoors stores sell very realistic airguns where only criteria is 18 and over. NO REGISTERING.
I have been researching the same issue.
Here in Canada, blank replicas guns are in somewhat of a black hole for those that aren't in the know with experience here like myself.
According to our criminal code, you can not import them. And they are not considered firearms so having your FAC and restricted weopons permits are not going to help you.
Unless the replica can not be mistaken for an authentic "modern" replica (which limits you to period pieces but even then that interpretation can be very debateable) you can not legally own one.
I have been trying to find a way around that but nobody can tell me who to contact for getting a permit to own (even as a collector), and a permit to import.
I really have no clue how high schools are obtaining them for their starter pistols, or any of the action movies filmed here in Canada.
Unless everyone is using real weopons, and firing blanks. Which would be the easiest, but a lot more expensive.
I would much perfer the less expensive blank pistols and putting up the muzzle flashes in post.
I am waiting to hear back from the Canadian Firearms Center hoping to get answers but it has been a few weeks already without ay response.
Here in Canada, blank replicas guns are in somewhat of a black hole for those that aren't in the know with experience here like myself.
According to our criminal code, you can not import them. And they are not considered firearms so having your FAC and restricted weopons permits are not going to help you.
Unless the replica can not be mistaken for an authentic "modern" replica (which limits you to period pieces but even then that interpretation can be very debateable) you can not legally own one.
I have been trying to find a way around that but nobody can tell me who to contact for getting a permit to own (even as a collector), and a permit to import.
I really have no clue how high schools are obtaining them for their starter pistols, or any of the action movies filmed here in Canada.
Unless everyone is using real weopons, and firing blanks. Which would be the easiest, but a lot more expensive.
I would much perfer the less expensive blank pistols and putting up the muzzle flashes in post.
I am waiting to hear back from the Canadian Firearms Center hoping to get answers but it has been a few weeks already without ay response.
David Adeyemi
Member
Be safe.
Be safe.
Hey mate! I dont know of your situation, but Id definately DOUBLE, TRIPLE, QUADRUPLE, and QUINTUPLE, check to make sure the bullets in the firearms are indeed blanks.....I know it sounds rudimentary, but there can be tragic consequences if props actually contain real bullets. (In the unfortunate case of Brandon Lee with The Crow for example)
Cheers!
Dave.
Be safe.
Hey mate! I dont know of your situation, but Id definately DOUBLE, TRIPLE, QUADRUPLE, and QUINTUPLE, check to make sure the bullets in the firearms are indeed blanks.....I know it sounds rudimentary, but there can be tragic consequences if props actually contain real bullets. (In the unfortunate case of Brandon Lee with The Crow for example)
Cheers!
Dave.