Got a shoot tomarrow dont know what im doing

1080 is noticeably sharper.

Shoot 108024pa if you have the cards and storage space for the little extra sharpness. If you don't have the space or cards shoot 720pn. It's way more than acceptable.

When the camera first came out the guru's on this site and the Mods at the HVX bootcamps were all saying shoot 720, there's not much difference and the storage for 1080 is a drag, and they were right.

But go to the HD Bootcamp now and it's all about 1080. Two things changed. 1) storage became easier to deal with / more accessible and 2) a couple of us ventured out into 1080 territory and noticed that our projects had a little more pop and a little more sharpness even when winding up on standard definition DVD, and since then we've never turned back.

So if you have the storage space why not give your consumer the best product possible. For one thing you can buy into the marketing BS and promote it as full HD.

If the reason you're vascillating between formats has any thing to do with any horseshit about 1080 not working in FCP or being interlaced or any of those other stupid groundless myths put those out of your head straigh away.

1080 24pa captures and process beautifully in FCP and you wind up with true 24p motion EXACTLY like 720pn only with more resolution. Anyone that says different should be taken out back and beaten with a wet noodle.

So if storage and offload during the shoot are not issues - why not go for the resolution?
 
What does the 'A' in 108024pA stand for? and how do i select it?

I see it mentioned alot on here but have never seen it on my camera... sorry if i sound stupid.
 
D'Oh. OK you have a PAL camera ... sorry no 24pA, the A stands for advanced pulldown which allows you to wind up with 24p progressive in your NLE.

I think you will only have 25p. Dunno if there is a 25pn or 25pA in 1080 because I know next to nothing about the Pal cameras.
 
Ok Im a little confused now I see the camera has 1080i 24p and 24pa I also see it has 720p 24p and 24pn. Right this minite I only have 2 16 Gig so I cant do the 1080 next week Im going to get a couple more so Im going to shoot 720. But Im confused on the 720 24p and or 24pn. Evrey body been saying 720p at 24p. Now you say 24pn. Im super confused. Tomarrow what should I set the cmera to 720p at 24p or 720p at 24pn. Holy sh** my fuc### head is going to explode. RB
 
In the thread you had me reed it said something about puting frames back in in the editing process. Do I have to do that in post is there some special thing I will have to do. Or do I just cut the footage like normal when its shot at the pn mode. Im use to just incoding the reg footage and start cuting. Very simple. At the 24 pn whats the process that ill have to do to put the frames back in.
 
no no no. that was about the pulldown. that has to do with the framerates between film to broadcast (and back).

if you shoot 24pn to p2 card. set your editing timeline to dvcpro24p and you're fine start to finish.

are you doing the capture and edit as well?
 
rz you seem kinda stressed about this. why don't you set up and light a nice little shot right now. shoot some 720pn and then some 1080pa. play back thru an hd tv and see the diff. it will become clear that both look great and the difference is subtle at best. then you can make an informed decision based on YOUR experience.
 
rzblack said:
Ok Im a little confused now I see the camera has 1080i 24p and 24pa I also see it has 720p 24p and 24pn. Right this minite I only have 2 16 Gig so I cant do the 1080 next week Im going to get a couple more so Im going to shoot 720. But Im confused on the 720 24p and or 24pn. Evrey body been saying 720p at 24p. Now you say 24pn. Im super confused. Tomarrow what should I set the cmera to 720p at 24p or 720p at 24pn. Holy sh** my fuc### head is going to explode. RB
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if shooting 720, pn is probably what you want. the pn stands for "progressive native". this means it shoots full frames (not interlaced) and only these frames (no pulldown). it shoots 24 fps and that's it. regular 24p or 24pa mode shoots 24fps embedded into a 30fps stream (this means duplicate frames). this is useful if you plan to edit at 30fps. one reason you would do this if you had actual 30fps footage mixed with your 24fps footage in the edit. easiest to keep the edit at 30fps.

pn gets you the variable rates and the most out of your p2 cards.
 
Jack Daniel Stanley said:
D'Oh. OK you have a PAL camera ... sorry no 24pA, the A stands for advanced pulldown which allows you to wind up with 24p progressive in your NLE.

I think you will only have 25p. Dunno if there is a 25pn or 25pA in 1080 because I know next to nothing about the Pal cameras.
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Have been wondering about this for a week now, so thanks for clearing that up Jack.

Yeah the PAL only has 25p in 1080...
 
I want to know how the hell you can focus shooting what your shooting :) My experience with the HVX is auto focus sucks! Never lost an image or a frame from P2, but don't trust the LCD or auto focus. I ended up shootin in 1080 (i) and am glad I did....
 
Cheez Im lost a little confused. What I want to do is shoot evreything in 24p and go from there right to my FCP. And just start cuting it. When you say keep the edit to 30 Im not shure I fallow you. I want to shoot it at 24p and have it edit at 24p. And have it out put so its 24p. Again i use my FCP probley about as geto as posible. I know the basics of it to cut stuff together make it look cool and good to watch. I dont know all the teck stuff. Sorry for being retarded.
 
rzblack said:
Cheez Im lost a little confused. What I want to do is shoot evreything in 24p and go from there right to my FCP. And just start cuting it. When you say keep the edit to 30 Im not shure I fallow you. I want to shoot it at 24p and have it edit at 24p. And have it out put so its 24p. Again i use my FCP probley about as geto as posible. I know the basics of it to cut stuff together make it look cool and good to watch. I dont know all the teck stuff. Sorry for being retarded.
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right. so do most of us. so shoot 24pn and you're all set. you import this into fcp, create a new sequence at dvcpro hd 720p 23.98fps and start cutting. that simple.

if you shoot at 24p or 24pa then you will need to remove the pulldown to edit at 24fps. extra steps that are avoided by shooting 24pn.
 
on a side note, for not being a techie, you are playing with a pretty technical camera. so many recording formats, framerates, etc.. this is not a point and shoot. you might want to crack a book and at least learn some basic stuff. as you get more into this there are more variables to consider and you may get yourself into trouble. you say your boss wants to see the quality he paid for so you should really educate yourself a little. get barry's hvx book. he lays it out in pictures so people who get lost reading manuals can understand.
 
Cheez Im with ya. Im just trying to get the basic set up and then I can feel my way threw. Its the fact that I have had at least 8 diferent people telling me diferent things that I get lost in. If I can get the settings to start to roll I can play and tinker and reed stuff and figure out more.
 
rzblack said:
Ok Evans I think it might have confused me more I dont know. I think what there saying is shoot 1080 I if you can. So my question is this I have a 32 gig card. If I shoot at 1080 24 p how long will the card get me. I normely shoot about 75 mins woth of footage for a scene. I have some one that can feed the cards into the computer but I dont have that much money ware I can get 5 to 8 of the dam things. I have the budget to get 1 32 gig and 1 16 gig. Or 3 16 gig. At 1080 I how much time will i get. I repeated my self sorry
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And what about recording to a laptop?
Porn usually is two persons doing small rapid movements on the same spot for several minutes, isn´t it?
No big moving around with the camera...

By going via Firewire, you could record 1080p without thinking about recording times.
Quality wise it is the best you can get out of the HVX (well maybe after capturing uncompressed from the component out...).

BTW, don´t forget to post a trailer...! :evil:
 
Spatacus belive it or not now a days its a lot of hand held movement. The days of static shots of close ups and wides are gone. Its a more gonzo feel ware your moving all around the action. You get your face shots and close ups by moving the camera there now. So zooming is virtuley gone now. You start on the close up and move the camera up the body to the face then back out to get the wide then back in close for the penetration rather its a spoon or a dog. Going up from under and then trailing it back up to the top of her face. Its like one big stedey came scene with out the smothness. Yes there still are static shooters but the higher end stuff the ones that get the big sales is all the movement stuff. And I would post you some clips but they would throw me off LOL but when I shoot some stuff coming up I will put it on my servers and you guys can check it out and see if its looking like what the HVX can do. Just not what you guys shoot. RB
 
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