Capt Quirk
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That explains a lot, thanks Paladin.
If you want that film look, why don't you do film?
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Tim Joy
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For me, film is the ultimate goal. I watch movies shot on film and just drool...
Plenty of great movies have been shot on dv cameras, which says to me that it's not the medium that matters- it's the message.
Your script, your acting, and your directing matter the most. When I have success in those departments, maybe I will finally deserve to have large piles of money thrown at me which I will spend on miles of delicious film, and the support crew it requires.
For the meantime, having the ability to shoot "practice films" for very little money AND have the cinematic tools like DOF adapters and 24p AND it looks pretty impressive (to at least the average joe on a tv set) is pretty darn fabulous.
I would like to make a prediction- FILM WILL NEVER DIE!
Long live the king.
Plenty of great movies have been shot on dv cameras, which says to me that it's not the medium that matters- it's the message.
Your script, your acting, and your directing matter the most. When I have success in those departments, maybe I will finally deserve to have large piles of money thrown at me which I will spend on miles of delicious film, and the support crew it requires.
For the meantime, having the ability to shoot "practice films" for very little money AND have the cinematic tools like DOF adapters and 24p AND it looks pretty impressive (to at least the average joe on a tv set) is pretty darn fabulous.
I would like to make a prediction- FILM WILL NEVER DIE!
Long live the king.
Oh, I totally agree! Film is the best medium for motion pictures. Not only does it have that special look up there on the big screen, images captured on film can, and do, last for more than a century. In contrast, twenty years is stretching it a bit for tape and five or six years is pretty much it for DVD. Film is still the king for archival purposes.
I agree that film will never die. Someday, someone will come up with processes that will dramatically reduce the cost and complexity of shooting on film. Then independent filmmakers will, once again, be able to shoot economically on film. I, personally, am living for that day!
Until then, I will use my DVX100B and be thankful that we indies have a viable, economical alternative for our projects.
I agree that film will never die. Someday, someone will come up with processes that will dramatically reduce the cost and complexity of shooting on film. Then independent filmmakers will, once again, be able to shoot economically on film. I, personally, am living for that day!
Until then, I will use my DVX100B and be thankful that we indies have a viable, economical alternative for our projects.
Mattykins
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Hollywood will never shoot DV. Ever.
The digital era is beginning to make an appearance. The F900 started it pretty much. Panavision has the Genesis now, you have the Viper, CineAlta's F23. CineAlta is releasing their F35 last quarter of this year - I think. That bugger has a 35mm sensor, so it is the CineAlta purchasable version of the Genesis.
Film on the other hand gives you something DV or HD can never give you. That is the latitude. You can pull detail out of almost everything. And shooting 16mm or 35 for that matter is an expensive deal.
Thing is, syncing isn't all that difficult. You can do it in the lab for a huge amount of money to get a crappy sound on the 16mm film. But really you want to digitize the footage and sync in your NLE. It takes a few hours to get perfect - but it isn't that terrible.
I shoot almost everything 16mm using Vision 3 stock from Kodak (143 for a 400 foot core) And I use Aaton LTRs and XTRProds. I've used a bolex wild motor and hated it. Haha, never again. But the Aatons are pro cameras. Yeah, it is expensive but you can never get the real film look shooting DV. Just can't be done. But the thing with film is, they color correct at the lab. And if you send it to a good lab, you get hollywood quality film back. You don't even need an answer print anymore.
I am going to start shooting digital, but some projects will always be film.
The digital era is beginning to make an appearance. The F900 started it pretty much. Panavision has the Genesis now, you have the Viper, CineAlta's F23. CineAlta is releasing their F35 last quarter of this year - I think. That bugger has a 35mm sensor, so it is the CineAlta purchasable version of the Genesis.
Film on the other hand gives you something DV or HD can never give you. That is the latitude. You can pull detail out of almost everything. And shooting 16mm or 35 for that matter is an expensive deal.
Thing is, syncing isn't all that difficult. You can do it in the lab for a huge amount of money to get a crappy sound on the 16mm film. But really you want to digitize the footage and sync in your NLE. It takes a few hours to get perfect - but it isn't that terrible.
I shoot almost everything 16mm using Vision 3 stock from Kodak (143 for a 400 foot core) And I use Aaton LTRs and XTRProds. I've used a bolex wild motor and hated it. Haha, never again. But the Aatons are pro cameras. Yeah, it is expensive but you can never get the real film look shooting DV. Just can't be done. But the thing with film is, they color correct at the lab. And if you send it to a good lab, you get hollywood quality film back. You don't even need an answer print anymore.
I am going to start shooting digital, but some projects will always be film.
Capt Quirk
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So Matty... any problem getting the film look?
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But how long do you think people will be striving for the "film look" really? I know we buy 35mm adapters and whatnot to achieve the DOF of film, but I think it's only a matter of time before the "norm" is high-res digital. With the color space and beautiful images you can achieve with a somewhat low budget on digital, one can only assume that it's nearing the end of days for film all together.
Even though they are just starting to produce some mainstream movies on digital cameras now, do you really think in say, 10 years, 95% of Hollywood movies will be produced on film? I don't think so. It just wouldn't make much sense... I'm no history major or anything, but film is what? 100+ years old now? Hardly any technology sticks around that long as far as media is concerned (with the exception of maybe the newspaper...) Mark my words, with the technology available for digital cameras now, this is the beginning of the end for film...
(I fully understand that there is going to be a large number of people disagreeing with me on this one, but this is truely what I believe will happen to the "film" world. Not that I don't like the look of film, I love it actually, but I also think that the way DV is progressing, it will surpass the look of film in the near future.)
Mattykins
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Haha, I am moving digital because of the costs. Not gonna lie. Planning on shooting an upcoming on the Genesis - when you get into the world of features, working on a limited budget, film really kills you. Economically, it makes sense to go digital. I am not a die-hard film guy, nor am I a diehard digital guy. I work by the numbers, if I can shoot film, I do. If I can't - I go digital.
Really, it is only a placeholder for me until I get some more funding. The only thing that I've seen come close to the film look is the high end cameras from cinealta and the genesis, Red has an amazing ability as well - but workflow issues need to be hammered out before I move to a Red.
It is really sad to be shooting HD. Really I don't try to match the image to film. I try to make it look as cinematic as possible. But I understand the limitations.
Really, it is only a placeholder for me until I get some more funding. The only thing that I've seen come close to the film look is the high end cameras from cinealta and the genesis, Red has an amazing ability as well - but workflow issues need to be hammered out before I move to a Red.
It is really sad to be shooting HD. Really I don't try to match the image to film. I try to make it look as cinematic as possible. But I understand the limitations.
Mister Stocks
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To say that Hollywood will never shoot DV because it will never be able to achieve the lattitude of film is to completely underestimate the exponential advance of technology. I mean, video cameras are only going to get better. Now, it might not be in DV cassetes, but it will definitely be Digital Video.
I don't think ten years would be enough time for Hollywood to make the switch, that does jump the gun a bit. But EVENTUALLY I think we will see it happen.
I don't think ten years would be enough time for Hollywood to make the switch, that does jump the gun a bit. But EVENTUALLY I think we will see it happen.
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