Brandon Rice
Distributed Producer
Good stuff Adam...Yeah I hear ya,having the connections to begin with are good... I have some from the previous film I sold as well, but was just curious on your methods... thanks for sharing!
"Corrado" - A production blog
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Prodigi Pictures
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hehehe...seeing Mega Snake next to I F*cking Hate You is damn funny.
Prodigi Pictures
Carbonite Member
I'm sure Taormina will answer this, but it's important to note that there is a difference between "Industry Standard" and "can't possibly be done with any other tool."
We all get sucked into industry standard dogma...and we shouldn't. If Taormina knows Vegas then Vegas is the easier solution for him. He's not obligated to learn a new software package just because the industry favors it.
I love FCP. But, at the end of the day these are just tools...not family members...not lovers...not...
...oh, shut up, Justin.
puredrifting
Major Contributor
Hi Justin:
I agree but one may find as they go through their workflow on a feature, that using non-industry standard software packages makes it a total PITA to interface with other members of the post prodution team including sound, color correction, motion graphics, captioning, etc. If you are doing EVERYTHING yourself, I agree, use whatever the heck you want, but if you have to interface with other pros in the industry, handing them a drive with proprietary files can be a major hassle.
FCP outputs and works with QT and OMFs and AIVD outputs and works with OMFI and QT media. Those are formats that other pros working on projects expect to receive. Or you can always lay off to tape but that will always end up getting re-converted back to files by the other teams, and it costs more money in deck rentals, digitizing, etc. Anything else can throw a big wrench into your schedule, costs and hassle factor.
I have worked at a post house for several years that was all AVID. For all of AVID's drawbacks, the post workflow for all of the post operations named above went very smoothly. But anytime we hired an outside editor on Premier, FCP, Media 100, etc. it quickly turned into a nightmare. Always.
Since Adam is a pro, creating a professional product for the market, he may experience some extra costs and hassle or he may not, depending on what formats Vegas can output, can it output OMFs with handles, what systems his other post team members use, is the media compatible with other applications, etc.
Dan
I agree but one may find as they go through their workflow on a feature, that using non-industry standard software packages makes it a total PITA to interface with other members of the post prodution team including sound, color correction, motion graphics, captioning, etc. If you are doing EVERYTHING yourself, I agree, use whatever the heck you want, but if you have to interface with other pros in the industry, handing them a drive with proprietary files can be a major hassle.
FCP outputs and works with QT and OMFs and AIVD outputs and works with OMFI and QT media. Those are formats that other pros working on projects expect to receive. Or you can always lay off to tape but that will always end up getting re-converted back to files by the other teams, and it costs more money in deck rentals, digitizing, etc. Anything else can throw a big wrench into your schedule, costs and hassle factor.
I have worked at a post house for several years that was all AVID. For all of AVID's drawbacks, the post workflow for all of the post operations named above went very smoothly. But anytime we hired an outside editor on Premier, FCP, Media 100, etc. it quickly turned into a nightmare. Always.
Since Adam is a pro, creating a professional product for the market, he may experience some extra costs and hassle or he may not, depending on what formats Vegas can output, can it output OMFs with handles, what systems his other post team members use, is the media compatible with other applications, etc.
Dan
Brandon Rice
Distributed Producer
I hear what you're saying Dan, and tend to agree. I've been working with Avid for years, and it's nice to be able to import and export so easily, with sound specifically.
I've not been exposed to many other NLE's aside from Premiere, which the one time I did use it was a pain to interface with others.
I've not been exposed to many other NLE's aside from Premiere, which the one time I did use it was a pain to interface with others.
Zak Forsman
Major Contributor
I'm sure its in here somewhere, but was Corrado shot 720 or 1080? We're cutting Heart of Now on our Final Cut Pro / Kona 3 bays so when everything is rendered and ready to master, we can upres the 720 on the fly to 1080 for lay off to HDCAM SR.
Brandon Rice
Distributed Producer
That's right, they shot 1080.
Zak Forsman
Major Contributor
well..... nevermind then! 
strangways
Well-known member
Vegas
Vegas
I'm working right now at a post house that uses FCP, but on my own projects I use Vegas.
I just find it a lot faster and easier to find where I want to make my cut, zoom in on it, and fade/crossfade the audio and or video right then and there. Navigating just makes perfect sense and I never get lost. Making audio edits (and being able to SEE them) is so easy.
I'm sure some of the guys I work with who cut on FCP are so well-versed with it they would be totally lost and frustrated with Vegas. For me, I've cut on A-B roll videotape, Video Toaster, Premiere, Avid, Avid Xpress, Final Cut, and Vegas.
Vegas lets me work the way I want to, so it's the best for me.
I think everyone owes it to themselves to check out all their options and find out what works best for them, rather than relying purely on other people's opinions.
Recently that post house had a massive problem with colors changing on shots that were exported from FCP to AE and back in, so I understand fully any concerns about translating footage across different systems.
Vegas
I'm working right now at a post house that uses FCP, but on my own projects I use Vegas.
I just find it a lot faster and easier to find where I want to make my cut, zoom in on it, and fade/crossfade the audio and or video right then and there. Navigating just makes perfect sense and I never get lost. Making audio edits (and being able to SEE them) is so easy.
I'm sure some of the guys I work with who cut on FCP are so well-versed with it they would be totally lost and frustrated with Vegas. For me, I've cut on A-B roll videotape, Video Toaster, Premiere, Avid, Avid Xpress, Final Cut, and Vegas.
Vegas lets me work the way I want to, so it's the best for me.
I think everyone owes it to themselves to check out all their options and find out what works best for them, rather than relying purely on other people's opinions.
Recently that post house had a massive problem with colors changing on shots that were exported from FCP to AE and back in, so I understand fully any concerns about translating footage across different systems.
filmman
Veteran
I cut the HDV 1440x1080 footage as captured directly from my Sony Z1 camera. Is there an advantage to cutting from 720?
I was also wondering when I finish editing my 90 minutue movie, what's the best format for me to copy it to so I can enter it in festivals and screen it as HiDef?
Thanks for your help. Sorry if this is somewhat off topic.
I was also wondering when I finish editing my 90 minutue movie, what's the best format for me to copy it to so I can enter it in festivals and screen it as HiDef?
Thanks for your help. Sorry if this is somewhat off topic.
taormina
Hates to Rent
I use Vegas 'cause I like it, and it's a good robust tool for the price. We did shoot in 1080. I know my post house is looking for OMF files, and I frankly don't know if Vegas exports this format. I would think it does since vegas used to be owned by Sound Forge and was primarily an audio tool way back when. Someone could probably educate me on this.
Brandon Rice
Distributed Producer
That's all that matters.
Charlie Anderson
Not so clever
phone call inc, im excited to hear this story 
pmark23
Veteran
Don't knock Vegas -- it's quite powerful. I use both Vegas and FCP professionally, and editing in Vegas is easily twice as fast as FCP (if not faster), so I can completely understand Adam's use of Vegas.
The only thing FCP has over Vegas is proper EDLs -- which I haven't needed since the 90's. Vegas exports to almost anything.
The only thing FCP has over Vegas is proper EDLs -- which I haven't needed since the 90's. Vegas exports to almost anything.
Ted Arabian
Member with Ladder
Adam.... AT THE RENTAL HOUSE?!?!?!
taormina
Hates to Rent
Ha! Kholi, you da man. You became my instant friend! Matty and Super Louie, good to see you guys as well!!!!
I was at Wood Nickel today where I sold everything to Brian. Everything minus the camera equipment and truck. While I still hate to rent, I spoke at length with Brian (owner) about easing some of my pet peeves about renting when I do #2, and he said we could work something out.
I don't regret buying - in the end I saved a few bucks, and the movie got made. Now it's all gone, because the next movie needs bigger stuff. Much bigger stuff.
I was at Wood Nickel today where I sold everything to Brian. Everything minus the camera equipment and truck. While I still hate to rent, I spoke at length with Brian (owner) about easing some of my pet peeves about renting when I do #2, and he said we could work something out.
I don't regret buying - in the end I saved a few bucks, and the movie got made. Now it's all gone, because the next movie needs bigger stuff. Much bigger stuff.
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