BT-LH80 monitor

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Yes, For RUN-N- Gun Situation (It works 4 me)
Strap from Porta-Brace BT-LH1700W Field monitors Case.
 
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I'm in the market for a new small monitor. I'd like to hear the comparisons bet Nebteks NEB70HDS and the BT 80. They both have pros and cons for me. Panny's picture, red focus, and waveform. Nebteks pass through, SDI / Component and lighter weight.

What are some of the big differences in performance? I'd like to hear from people who actually used either or both monitors - not spec readers. I figure in about a months time, I'll put my money down on one or the other.

As I do alot of handheld, weight is critical for me. Something like Kwan's rig is bit much for what I do. What are some of the weight saving options?

I'd love to hear ya'll.
 
These are the same two monitors I had to choose between. The waveform was the big deciding factor for me so I went with the Panny. Its heavy. But its solid. I havent done any handheld work now but have a zacuto rig on its way to do so with. We'll see :) The lack of a pass through is definitely a bummer, but I just use an active distributor when I need a second monitor. Nebtek does have focus in white doesnt it? Supposedly easier to see than red? The combination of focus in red and maxed out peaking provides solid reliable focusing for me. Occasionally I'll pop it into 1:1 to double check something but its usually spot on when I do.

If weight is a concern and the waveform isnt a must have, I'd go nebtek.
 
Thanks Loe,
Actually 503 work very well... My rig is very well Balanced.
To bad I have to sell complete Rig soon (RED Delivery in July).
 
Kwan said:
Thanks Loe,
Actually 503 work very well... My rig is very well Balanced.
To bad I have to sell complete Rig soon (RED Delivery in July).
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Just bustin' your bawls a little...

Are you planning on selling the monitor as well? It should work perfectly with your RED. If so, I may be interested in it as I'm planning on picking one up in the next month or so...
 
Tim Naylor said:
I'm in the market for a new small monitor. I'd like to hear the comparisons bet Nebteks NEB70HDS and the BT 80. They both have pros and cons for me. Panny's picture, red focus, and waveform. Nebteks pass through, SDI / Component and lighter weight.

What are some of the big differences in performance? I'd like to hear from people who actually used either or both monitors - not spec readers. I figure in about a months time, I'll put my money down on one or the other.

As I do alot of handheld, weight is critical for me. Something like Kwan's rig is bit much for what I do. What are some of the weight saving options?

I'd love to hear ya'll.
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Sup Tim,

I used to think I was missing out by not picking up the BTLH80W. Instead I got the Nebtek. Last weekend I got to shoot alongside Kwan with his Panny and my Nebtek. To be honest, I dont feel I'm missing out anymore. I think the monitors are pretty even and balance out each others SLIGHT strengths and weaknesses.

The panny is nice, and its suits Kwan's rig. I find it too big and clumsy. The Dolgin option is a great addition as of late, for those who do not wish to go the brick battery solution. It saves on the overall cost of the Panny, bringing it closer to the nebtek. However, the panny is almost 4lb's and add the dolgin dual adapter + 2 lithium ion batts and we're back to brick battery weight. Barry's suggestion for a battery belt may be the better run n gun solution.

As far as brightness. I find the Nebtek to be more daylight viewable, maybe due to the coating on the lcd surface. Getting a Nebtek now will get you the 600nit version. I have the original 500nit version and it still seemed easier to view in daylight than the panny. Mind you it was overcast when we were shooting so both monitors probably suck on sunny days, but that's to be expected.

Focus in red is overrated in my opinion. I thought it would knock my socks off to use. Its maybe just a little more useful than Nebtek's focus in white (at 3 levels) because of the color but just barely if anything. Anyone who says Nebteks level3 focus in white is hard to see is blind or lying. I find the features on both monitors to be distracting. I usually use no peaking or just on level 1 as not to mess with the image im lookin at. Some people love the feature. I'd rather use the panny's pixel-for-pixel viewing to set focus. Which brings me to my next point.

Nebtek used to not have the pixel-for-pixel viewing and to me, that set the two units apart alot more. But now http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=133647

You're already aware about the throughput on the Nebtek. So that's a plus.

Panny can be powered by the HPX500 if you have one or plan on getting one. That's a pretty damn cool feature. Seems the panny shines with this combination.

Both monitors are sharp as hell.

Nebtek doesnt have waveform like the Panny, but in my case, I plan on getting the HPX170 which will have all that, and in better quality than on the panny (from what barry reports). Still, if you dont plan on getting the 170, thats a definite plus.

Here are some specifics that I can elaborate on the Nebtek from months of use:

The Nebtek suffers from I contrast issues on certain bright color sources like red. Using a red gel on arri's 650's, the highlights in the image would lose detail. These blowouts would appear flat and uniform. This happens on the Ikan too, from what Aram told me from his experience. It might be inherent in these small lcd's in general, but I haven't worked with the panny enough times to make a judgement on its performance in this regard.

The Nebtek is somewhat difficult to calibrate to the point where it matches the colors on the HVX's lcd. I will blue gun calibrate it, and it still always appears just slightly a bit more cooler (blue/greenish) than the hvx, but it does get close. I suggest judging color off the lcd of your hvx or a broadcast monitor. Again, I cant judge the panny in this area because I havent used it enough to make a fair assessment.

Both are rugged and I think you'll find them suitably built to withstand the rigors or daily production. I'll give the panny a slight edge in build quality due to the dials and power switch. I'm not too fond of the nebteks loose-set buttons and easy to push power.

Im being a little harsh on my beloved NEB70HD, but please keep in mind that I don't own the panny (only worked with it a few times) and simply cant make claims that should only come about by extensive use. Though from working with both on set, I stand by my statement that these two monitors are comparable in performance.
 
Leaning towards Nebtek. Thanks for all the info. Weight's a big deal for me and I do plan on an HPX 170 so the waveform isn't an issue. Now I just have to wait for my Marshall to get back from the shop so I can sell it.

Any reviews on Carrion?
 
"The Nebtek is somewhat difficult to calibrate to the point where it matches the colors on the HVX's lcd. I will blue gun calibrate it, and it still always appears just slightly a bit more cooler (blue/greenish) than the hvx, but it does get close. I suggest judging color off the lcd of your hvx or a broadcast monitor"

I have a Nebtek too and it is a cooler image compare to the Panasonic BT-LH 1700, I don't know for the BT-LH 80. Arrik review is quite accurate for the Nebtek. Of course, on a sunny day, you need a hood light and gobo. Weight with a Pany battery is not bad and last about the same time as on the camera. The pass through is a must and focus in white work pretty well but like Arrik I use it on certain situation only, because I prefer to have a clean image too.
 
Taking the Panny LH 80 for a ride this weekend for 2 days of shooting for BET's "American Gangster" on an HDX 900. Will be using it around the clock.

Tim
 
Good but bad news. The job I was booked for gave me a 900 instead of the 80. I loved it though. It's an 8.4", 4:3 screen. So in 16:9 I could have the wave form below the picture which is nice. Aside from a few thousand dollars more, not sure what the performance difference is between this and the 80. It does not have Red Focus. Just peaking. Picture was nothing short of incredible. I overhung from an HDX 900 handle via Arm Bones (which I'm a big fan of). I also like the 3/8" threading instead of 1/4". Much more solid mount. I think all the small monitors should lose the 1/4". The 900's a beast though and wouldn't recommend it for HVX/35 adaptor set ups. Too heavy.

You'll see the footage in November for BET "American Gangster" episode on the notorius Larry Davis.

Anyway, I'm still waiting for Nebtek to return my Marshall from repair (bad batt connection) and as soon as it's back check it out on Marketplace. It'll be paying for my new Nebtek.
 
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