I hear the New Shoot 35 specific flip and achromat is released?

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Avenger007

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Just wanted to confirm the word on the street. I'd love to see some stills/footage, price (hopefully with an upgrade option available), and photos of the unit itself. Sounds like the SG vibrating version will soon be on the horizon then with the flip being completed?
Or perhaps I've been completely misinformed.
 
That is correct. The big difference with the shoot35 flip module is that it ships with our achromat and optical setup which certainly improves the image. All new orders are being shipped with both our flip module and achromat.

Regarding the ‘SGblade’ that is in development, we are currently deciding on the best route for this adapter. We want to provide you guys with an adapter that is more compact, provides low light loss, great edge to edge sharpness and also the ability to use high shutter speeds and stop down your lens without seeing grain.

Although there is no price yet, the blade will still be competitive amongst the current crop.
 
Wayne Kinney said:
We want to provide you guys with an adapter that is more compact, provides low light loss, great edge to edge sharpness and also the ability to use high shutter speeds and stop down your lens without seeing grain.
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WOW....sounds too good to be true....
I hope it's not for the high end people ....like the Letus Ultimate??


edite- just read on the other thread that the SGblade is going to be cheaper then the SGpro!!!!! amazing!!
 
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Is the new achromat setup the answer for an "HVX specific" achromat? Or do you plan to release a seperate achromat geared towards HVX users.

Also, is the flip physically a different looking unit now or was just the glass changed?
Overall, looking forward to the updates. I wish I could get a new order out by the 28th because I have a 3 cam project that needs a 3rd SG (my Redrock is currently filling that space...which I'm not thrilled about.)
 
ryvac said:
WOW....sounds too good to be true....
I hope it's not for the high end people ....like the Letus Ultimate??


edite- just read on the other thread that the SGblade is going to be cheaper then the SGpro!!!!! amazing!!
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Due to the needs of most shooters, we have decided to stick with a spinning GG design for the SGblade. The price will be a little more than the SGpro but less than the competition.


Avenger007 said:
Is the new achromat setup the answer for an "HVX specific" achromat? Or do you plan to release a seperate achromat geared towards HVX users.

Also, is the flip physically a different looking unit now or was just the glass changed?
Overall, looking forward to the updates. I wish I could get a new order out by the 28th because I have a 3 cam project that needs a 3rd SG (my Redrock is currently filling that space...which I'm not thrilled about.)
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It turns out that the setup we chose for our 'EX1 fix' has given improvements on all the other cams, including the HVX200. So it will be a 1 fits all solution. Do you have a flip bundle currently on order?
 
Wayne Kinney said:
Due to the needs of most shooters, we have decided to stick with a spinning GG design for the SGblade. The price will be a little more than the SGpro but less than the competition.
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Very Cool, Wayne. Will it incorporate the other goodies as well? Built-in backfocus adjustment on the fly, half a stop of light loss, SGPro Bokeh, etc etc? Basicaly, will it be able to match the competition or is it going to offer less for less? No more or very little limitations?

Do you also plan to stick with the current material for your ground glass or has something new been discovered?
Is there any tentative release date yet? With the Ultimate right around the corner I would hate to forestall my purchase in hopes of something new, but similar to the Scarlet vs. HPX170 deal: What's here now is the big deal.

Course, your schedule seems to be up to speed considering how fast you got the new SGFlip module out.
 
Hi,

When I say competition I am refering to the sub 2k crop.

Backfocus will be adjustable via the lens mounts.

We are basically going to offer 2 choices of GG element for the blade. One will be the same as used in the current SGpro, which most would agree produces the best bokeh rendition and filmic look.

The second will be a real glass disk with very fine grain structure. This is being designed with low lightloss in mind and the ability to stop down the 35mm lens and also use high shutter speed without seeing grain. The bokeh and lightloss will be on par with the current competition.
 
Oh so you can use real glass. I thought that wasn't practical or you couldn't replicate characteristics with real glass?
 
Okay, because I did ask about this a month or so back and I think the response was that Glass is just impractical. So what changed your mind? And are you now saying that you CAN replicate the characteristics properly with glass as opposed to what you were saying before?

Just want to get a handle on this new Glass technology. Sounds great! Who else has implemented this?

Here's the thread: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=128997&page=3

So, essentially, it wasn't as impractical as it was made to come out as, and it's no longer impossible to recreate the bokeh, etc?
 
I even frankensteined a diffusor glass of a Kobold spot light in my free indian adapter. Even thou the hole was a bit bigger than the motor hub I got it centered with some try and error.

That diffusor glass was thick and heavy and coarse but it worked so far.
I see no reason - if you got your glass custom made - why it schould not work.

Frank
 
Hi,

As I say, there are a few things in the design that make this possible. What can't be replicated however is the bokeh rendition of the SGpro's current GG. The advantage of the SGpro's GG is it's bokeh rendition, the advatange of the new GG is its low lightloss and fine grain.
 
That's what I thought as well, Postmaster. It seemed that it was just an impractical solution, too heavy, etc etc but I guess that wasn't exactly the case.
 
Wayne Kinney said:
Hi,

As I say, there are a few things in the design that make this possible. What can't be replicated however is the bokeh rendition of the SGpro's current GG. The advantage of the SGpro's GG is it's bokeh rendition, the advatange of the new GG is its low lightloss and fine grain.
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Oh I got ya. Is it possible to replicate a more "accurate" or pleasing... or even more SGPro-like bokeh with glass at all? While retaining the same low light loss specs? I wouldn't know, I'm no engineer so I must ask these things. It's just interesting that this came back up after I asked the question and was told that it was no good.
 
It is possible to improve the bokeh, but this in turn results in more lightloss - it is unfortunately a compromise.

The SGpro's GG is unique in its grain structure, it isn't simply diffusing more, it is the way it is diffusing the light that gives its unique quality but this can't be done with glass.
 
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Wayne Kinney said:
It is possible to improve the bokeh, but this in turn results in more lightloss - it is unfortunitly a compromise.

The SGpro's GG is unique in its grain structure, it isn't simply diffusing more, it is the way it is diffusing the light that gives its unique quality but can't be done with glass.
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Gotcha now! Thanks for puttin' it plainly so my tiny lil brain can understand it. So it's now a practical application and just can't reproduce the nice Bokeh without losing more light.

Interesting!
 
Wayne Kinney said:
Hi,

What can't be replicated however is the bokeh rendition of the SGpro's current GG. .
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Right Wayne, the Bokeh and light loss was a joke - but what do you expect from a spotlight diffusor.

What I wanted to say is - if it was possible to get that ugly glass to work with home tools at the kitchen table, why should a experianced company not be able to make a propper solution.

Frank
 
Postmaster said:
Right Wayne, the Bokeh and light loss was a joke - but what do you expect from a spotlight diffusor.

What I wanted to say is - if it was possible to get that ugly glass to work with home tools at the kitchen table, why should a experianced company not be able to make a propper solution.

Frank
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Like I said, I'm no engineer but perhaps it just comes down to a cost issue? Having the R&D power in place to find out how to do it and effectively, and then dealing with the unit cost for something like this.

Maybe I'm completely off base (as usual) but it seems like this would be the ultimate solution to everyone's adapter woes. No more compromises on any fronts, that includes bokeh and lightloss.
 
Yes this is the reason we want to give the shooter the GG option upon purchase. We think this covers most shooters needs. I should mention now that this will not be an interchangeable solution. An interchangeable system would compromise the precision needed inside the unit, in our minds.
 
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