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Kit #3: Web Short Film Producer Kit
Who It's For: People putting together short films, primarily indoors, and looking to cut corners where possible to save money but still want decent results.
Includes: Oktava MK012 w/ Hyper Cardiod Cap ($180), High Wind Screen ($50), Sambra Shockmount ($50), Gitzo 10' Boompole ($120). Total Cost: $400

Kit #5: Web Short Film Producer Plus+ Kit
Who It's For: People putting together short films, primarily indoors, but are looking to invest in better materials now that they can build upon in the future.
Includes: Oktava MK012 w/ Hyper Cardiod Cap ($180), Rycote BBG ($100), KteK KSSM Shockmount w/ soft bands ($100), Gitzo 12'7" carbon fiber boompole ($200). Total Cost: $580
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Thanks for all the help, this read is great. I am looking at Kit #3 and Kit #6. Trying to decide over the High Wind Screen or the Rycote BBG for my Oktave MK012 w/ hyper cap. Does the Rycote BBG protect against wind that much better than a high wind screen? Also For the Rycote BBG, I can see 20mm, 22mm, and 25mm, I thought was OktavaMK012 w/ hyper was 23mm, am I mistaken? Thanks for the help this thread has such great info
 
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Kubrick71 said:
Kit #3: Web Short Film Producer Kit
Who It's For: People putting together short films, primarily indoors, and looking to cut corners where possible to save money but still want decent results.
Includes: Oktava MK012 w/ Hyper Cardiod Cap ($180), High Wind Screen ($50), Sambra Shockmount ($50), Gitzo 10' Boompole ($120). Total Cost: $400

Kit #5: Web Short Film Producer Plus+ Kit
Who It's For: People putting together short films, primarily indoors, but are looking to invest in better materials now that they can build upon in the future.
Includes: Oktava MK012 w/ Hyper Cardiod Cap ($180), Rycote BBG ($100), KteK KSSM Shockmount w/ soft bands ($100), Gitzo 12'7" carbon fiber boompole ($200). Total Cost: $580
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Thanks for all the help, this read is great. I am looking at Kit #3 and Kit #6. Trying to decide over the High Wind Screen or the Rycote BBG for my Oktave MK012 w/ hyper cap. Does the Rycote BBG protect against wind that much better than a high wind screen? Also For the Rycote BBG, I can see 20mm, 22mm, and 25mm, I thought was OktavaMK012 w/ hyper was 23mm, am I mistaken? Thanks for the help this thread has such great info
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I found an answer to your question in this thread:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=51316

It looks like you want the 20mm version.
 
jdajda said:
As far as I know the BBG wont work with the NTG1. Being a shotgun, the NTG1 has vents down the side which are part of the interference tube (right guys?), and those need to be protected from wind as well as the end of the mic. I think that Rycote softie in the list you quoted is what you'll need for the NTG1 or a full windscreen of some sort. Dont know about the KSSM though. My rode sm3 shockmount works well though.
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Instead of making a new thread, I thought I'd ask this question that didn't get answered. Can the NTG1 with a Rycote Softie fit in a K-tek KSSM shock mount? I would assume so, seeing as the kits only list one shock mount each, but I thought I'd make sure.
 
Where is the oktava stuff purchased from? I thought everyone buys from sound room but all their prices are jacked up compared to the setup kit part of the thread. Are those prices after some dvxuser discount or something?
 
ecking said:
Where is the oktava stuff purchased from? I thought everyone buys from sound room but all their prices are jacked up compared to the setup kit part of the thread. Are those prices after some dvxuser discount or something?
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It's an old thread... nearly 2 years now...

But the discount the Sound Room is offering makes the Oktava (and accessories) a great deal, IMHO.
 
Jeremy, First of all great post! I always find it amazing how people will offer free advise to help others get up and rolling with thier gear.

I am still a little torn on what I should buy. I am pretty knew at video audio production. I have expierince with studio multi tracking for music projects, but now look to get into video production.

I am looking for someone to help me with a small kit if they can. I am mainly shooting nothing but dialog type movies. For my first project, my small crew and I will be shooting in a local park (outside of course) and inside an apartment. We have mic cables out the yin yang, but can't decide what mic(s) we should go with.

We are shooting a couple film projects now, and later we will be doing interview type documentaries. We are starting off with the entry level Canon GL2 for our camera. Just a basic upgrade from the consumer handy cam. Basicaly, we want to buy decent gear with a budget at about 1 to 2 grand so we can learn the ins and outs of that gear. We want to start a small production company for our area and offer services to them, because in the small town I live in, there isn't much of that going on. And we figured, what is the best way to learn the gear we buy then to do our own projects for DVD and web viewing.

So right now, we are looking for a good off camera mic(s) that records outside and insdie for dialog. Any suggestions?
 
Quick sound recommendation?

Quick sound recommendation?

I'm new to this board but find it fascinating -- I'm one of those filmmakers who are technically challenged and it sure helps to be able to ask questions any time of day or night.

Anyway -- my TV station gave me the go ahead to upgrade my system and I still have about $100 I can spend by tomorrow (when I have to turn in my credit card). Can anyone suggest a valuable audio application or plug-in for FCE 4 ? Something around $100 or less? I have a Mac G5 2.3ghz

Would appreciate any thoughts as the clock is ticking...
 
Jeremy or MattinSTL....or anyone else who can answer:

I'm looking to produce two things:

1. What I call "Web Minis" short film serials for the internet.....most scenes will be shot inside, but some will be shot outside

and

2. The occaisonal live music/theatre gigs (paid) for my friends/associates who want archive footage.

I consider myself needing Kit 3/5.

QUESTIONS:

1. would it be best to get a matched pair of Oktava MK-12s with the HC cap to cover most of my shooting scenerios

2. would it be good to get all three caps (omni, cardioid, hypercardioid) in a mathed pair set (or single) to cover most of my shooting scenerios


Thanks for your help!
Carmen
 
I am a sound BIFF and have thoroughly enjoyed reading this thread whilst getting educated along the way. I shall be going along with your recommendations Jeremy - many thanks.
 
Question: I haven't been able to read every page here, but are the prices in the kits based on B&H prices? And do they have those exact kits or are those kits you came up with yourself? Links would be good if they were
 
using the dvx100 mic mount

using the dvx100 mic mount

I am new to all of this: making my first documentary film. I know that it is not recommended to put a mic on the camera. (I plan to buy an Oktava.) But I am usually a one or at most a two person crew. The mic will have to go on the camera. Can an Oktava in a Sambra shock mount be mounted in the mic mount? I plan to put a wireless mic receiver on the hotshoe.

Thanks.
 
the oktava mk 012 with hypercardioid cap is $219 less 5% discount for dvxuser from the sound-room.com. john1919 if you put the oktava on your camera and the source you are attempting to record is more three feet away max your sound is going to be horrible
 
Hey Jeremy, do you think you could find the time to update your first post? It's still very useful but needs updating, especially in pricing and the fact that you call the AT4073 the "AT4043" and your "top" package lists the Oktava as hyper. Bleh, list something at least decent as your "top package", like the AKG Blueline CK93. Which, once you pay $250 for the Oktava (current pricing) and $100+ for the requisite BBG, you might as well get the much-better sounding CK93 which doesnt need the BBG. So actually, I'd rethink the "All Oktava" strategy alltogether.
 
voice

voice

mark viducich said:
the oktava mk 012 with hypercardioid cap is $219 less 5% discount for dvxuser from the sound-room.com. john1919 if you put the oktava on your camera and the source you are attempting to record is more three feet away max your sound is going to be horrible
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First off.. Im a complete noob at sound so I found this thread very helpful.
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=120866

If I had my choice from this list I would definitely go for the shoeps - hands down or up. Still in the $200+- price range the oktava does the job nicely. It seems that certain mics cause resonance at certain frequency levels and thus create an artificial sound. The shoeps on the other hands comes in nice and CLEAN - as if the person were sitting right there in front of you - which I believe is the desired objective when recording sound (FOR FILM - unless a distorted or artificial sound is sought). Thanks to this thread, nonetheless, I now know what Im looking for as far as recording voice. Here three terms come to mind: presence, palpability and now my new term CLEANLINESS.

But thats not what this thread is about... I am very concerned with mic distance to subject - given that my objective is sound for film - and distance is critical. I would like more information on this subject.

I have these questions:

1) What mic's are good for short, medium or long distance?
2) Does phantom power extend the useable range of a mic?
 
believable-ness

believable-ness

I feel oddly compelled to add to my previous post and thats this..

I have a new term regarding sound and that is: believable-ness. I like this term even more than cleanliness with regard to sound as it more aptly describes the experience Im looking for in a recording. I know that believable is what is meant by the term palbable but believeable is 'better' (oh geez) because right now when I shut my eyes and listened to these samples... I asked myself, "do I believe it?" as opposed to, "is that palpable?".. to then remark "hmmm oh just listen to the palpability of it?". No, rather, the remark I made to myself was, "hmm.. this sounds more believable than that one". At any rate, in the future when I listen to a sound test I will close my eyes and ask myself which is the more believable.

HEY! back off Im new to this.. anyway.. Forgive my rambling.
 
there was a list on the forums a few weeks ago (from 2006 i think) that had an ongoing this is what to buy list as you can afford it.

it started with sony headphones...anyone have a link?
 
I've been reading a lot of audio posts, and I'm still not sure about this: are people booming their shotguns? Or are they camera-mounted (which I thought was a no-no)?

I'm going to do indoor and outdoor sound and I realize the oktava probably won't be too great for outdoors, but would I boom a shotgun?
 
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