thefilmaddict
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I agree with doondoon comments (EX1 vs HVX200). I've also used both cameras quite a bit. It's just my humble opinion. I am no fan boy.
Need Some Advice About Switching to the EX1
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Dennis Wood
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One thing that may or may factor into your decision is how both cameras work with 35mm lens adapters. If you're using the M2, RRM does not like the EX1 yet with their adapter, and is not recommending it.
I'll give a few observations from my perspective based on experience with the Brevis used in it's flip mode.
1. The HVX200 close focus abilities and more importantly, the very flat focal plane at close ranges means this camera does extremely well with respect to edge to edge sharpness and chromatic aberration. As an adapter cam, it's much better than the EX1 with the Brevis...which may be as much as three stops faster than the M2 as a 35mm lens is stopped down to f5.6. Furthermore, as the camera is zoomed in further for use with our cinema lens mounts, the image sharpness edge to edge holds up extremely well.
2. The EX1 may be a stop more senstive, however its close focus ablities, like many Sony cams, is not great news for adapter use. At this point, using the EX1 zoomed in less than Z70 is working great for our users, and we're working on a very innovative fix so cinema lens mounts (smaller frame) will be usable with sharp edge to edge performance. Replacing the achromat to get the camera zoomed in less is another solution being used by another manufacturer, but limits further zoom-in with sharp edge to edge. In other words, for cinema lens mount use, the EX1 is not recommended...yet.
Therefore, as cameras for use with 35mm lens adapters go these days I'd rate the HVX200 and XH-A1 a 9 out of 10, and the EX1 about an 8 out of 10. If the EX1 had a flat focal plane at zoom, I'd rate it a 10. In terms of overall resolution this clip by Carleton Holt using an EX1 is the sharpest footage I've ever seen with our adapter: http://www.cinevate.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1888
I'll give a few observations from my perspective based on experience with the Brevis used in it's flip mode.
1. The HVX200 close focus abilities and more importantly, the very flat focal plane at close ranges means this camera does extremely well with respect to edge to edge sharpness and chromatic aberration. As an adapter cam, it's much better than the EX1 with the Brevis...which may be as much as three stops faster than the M2 as a 35mm lens is stopped down to f5.6. Furthermore, as the camera is zoomed in further for use with our cinema lens mounts, the image sharpness edge to edge holds up extremely well.
2. The EX1 may be a stop more senstive, however its close focus ablities, like many Sony cams, is not great news for adapter use. At this point, using the EX1 zoomed in less than Z70 is working great for our users, and we're working on a very innovative fix so cinema lens mounts (smaller frame) will be usable with sharp edge to edge performance. Replacing the achromat to get the camera zoomed in less is another solution being used by another manufacturer, but limits further zoom-in with sharp edge to edge. In other words, for cinema lens mount use, the EX1 is not recommended...yet.
Therefore, as cameras for use with 35mm lens adapters go these days I'd rate the HVX200 and XH-A1 a 9 out of 10, and the EX1 about an 8 out of 10. If the EX1 had a flat focal plane at zoom, I'd rate it a 10. In terms of overall resolution this clip by Carleton Holt using an EX1 is the sharpest footage I've ever seen with our adapter: http://www.cinevate.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1888
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philip bloom
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what is rolling shutter?
Which to buy & why: Sony XDCAM EX or HVX200
Which to buy & why: Sony XDCAM EX or HVX200
I was thinking of upgrading from the DVX 100B to either the HVX 200 or the Sony XDCAM EX. What would be the pro & cons of either choice? Since you've expereinced both, you would have good insight.
Which to buy & why: Sony XDCAM EX or HVX200
I was thinking of upgrading from the DVX 100B to either the HVX 200 or the Sony XDCAM EX. What would be the pro & cons of either choice? Since you've expereinced both, you would have good insight.
Dennis Wood
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Guys, check out www.freshdv.com and look over their review of the EX1..including demonstrations of rolling shutter issues. The HVX does not have it..it's a CCD camera. CCD's have their issues, as do CMOS chips like in the EX1. The podcast where Matt and Kendall discuss the EX1 is one of the most impartial reviews I've seen and I'd strongly recommend a listen. No hype...just two professionals discussing the camera.
Btw, film cameras with the typical rotary shutter have had a form of rolling shutter from day one..just in the vertical axis. It's nothing new, and cameras like the little HV20, and mighty RED have it too.
Phil, if I didn't know better I'd say you're stirring the pot here...ha
Btw, film cameras with the typical rotary shutter have had a form of rolling shutter from day one..just in the vertical axis. It's nothing new, and cameras like the little HV20, and mighty RED have it too.
Phil, if I didn't know better I'd say you're stirring the pot here...ha
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thefilmaddict
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Dennis,
I agree that the EX1 is not perfect with 35mm adapters, but I prefer using the Brevis with the EX1 over the HVX for two big reasons:
1. The on camera Sony LCD is plenty high rez to focus a 35 mm lens (not an easy task with the HVX200)
and
2. The high resolution camera makes for very sharp 35mm footage. My HVX200 Brevis footage was a little soft. IMHO the extra resolution helps.
Speaking of the Brevis and the EX1, are you guys still working on improving the combo? Phil seems to have no issues with his Letus setup (as far as I know). Why does that setup work so well?
I agree that the EX1 is not perfect with 35mm adapters, but I prefer using the Brevis with the EX1 over the HVX for two big reasons:
1. The on camera Sony LCD is plenty high rez to focus a 35 mm lens (not an easy task with the HVX200)
and
2. The high resolution camera makes for very sharp 35mm footage. My HVX200 Brevis footage was a little soft. IMHO the extra resolution helps.
Speaking of the Brevis and the EX1, are you guys still working on improving the combo? Phil seems to have no issues with his Letus setup (as far as I know). Why does that setup work so well?
Dennis Wood
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We are working on a solution to improve the EX1 performance but that said, in the charts posted by Lenny Levy a few weeks ago, the Brevis Flip/CF1Le combination looked to have the best edge to edge of the combos tested, including the Letus. Carleton Holt was one of the first to do careful testing with our flip and the EX1 and came up with this footage: http://www.cinevate.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1888 as well as some excellent tips for use with the Brevis. I forgot to mention the outstanding LCD, and yes the EX1 has produced the sharpest Brevis footage I've ever seen.
Phil is an excellent shooter and his non-flip Brevis footage is still featured on our site. I suspect that given an adapter made from a piece of wax paper and a soup can he could create great footage
Our EX1 work is going very well, the goal being tack sharp edge to edge performance with both SLR and academy frame sizes. By NAB, we should have an announcement.
Phil is an excellent shooter and his non-flip Brevis footage is still featured on our site. I suspect that given an adapter made from a piece of wax paper and a soup can he could create great footage
Our EX1 work is going very well, the goal being tack sharp edge to edge performance with both SLR and academy frame sizes. By NAB, we should have an announcement.
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