Zak Forsman
Major Contributor
while i had problems with NCFOM, everything on your list is what I considered its strong points. strangely enough.
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He didn't kill the lady at the trailer park. When the toilet flushed, he left.5) Chigurh was supposed to be evil, but we barely see him kill anyone. Over half of his kills were just implied (the lady at the trailer park
The ending in the book made more sense. In the movie, it felt like it was missing a setup to allow us to understand what was being said, thus just becoming a non-ending. I saw it twice in the theater and a couple of time on the DVD, as well as reading the book. I have a better understanding of the movie now, having read the book. But I shouldn't have had to read the book to understand the ending.Regarding the ending. A DVXuser in the 'Oscar' discussion said that, "The ending wasn't "bad", it just wasn't what I wanted".
I thought that probably describes it pretty well (for most).
My .02 on the ending is this...
It went out with a whimper....like the book...like OLD MEN...like life.
I didn't like it (the ending) when I saw it in the theater, didn't hate it either. However, after a few days to think about it, I've not only warmed to it, but it feels a little more right.
In a way it was like the Sopranos finale (didn't like it at the moment I saw it, but a few days later thought it was genius).
These two examples are kind of going back to more of a HITCHCOCK style of story telling.....where the build up & suspense IS the bang...not the ending. I think the film audiences of today have been conditioned to expect 'the big payoff' at the end of movies. One of the great aspects of filmmaking is telling a story by what you leave out.....in doing this, you really have to walk a fine line between making something great and having a "what the f*#k...that sucked" moment.
As for the Coen bros big night last night. I am stoked for them. I've been a huge Coen bros fan since BLOOD SIMPLE, and, like Scorsese last year, it almost seems like a little payback for Bloodsimple, Fargo, The Big Lebowski et al...
I'm a little bummed that Deakins didn't get the cinematography Oscar....but it probably hurt his chances being on the ballot twice in the same category. I'm sure a lot of the 6000+ Academy members just put an X next to Deakins name (be it Jesse James or NO COUNTRY)....not to take anything away from the amazing job Elswit did in "There Will Be Blood".
Cool, Coen bros, Oscar winning directors.
Well deserved.
I wouldn't call it an art-house film...I'd call it a Coen Bros. Film. They don't subscribe to the typical Hollywood model. :thumbsup:It's an art-house film.
in talking to Josh Brolin, it sounds like they have evolved to a less rigid method of filmmaking. I remember the stories of Nic Cage being very frustrated with the Coens wanting him to stick to the dialogue word for word and now, apparently, they are giving more freedom to their actors.... according to Josh, anyway. i was thinking, knowing Clooney's penchant for improvisation, I wonder if he is the person responsible in this shift in attitude by the Coens. who knows.
I came out of the theater raving about the Coen's dialogue in NCOM, but then I read the book and realized that 95% of the dialogue was lifted directly from the book. They do write excellent dialogue but Cormac was responsible for the dialogue in NCOM. :beer:When you can write dialogue like the coens do, why improvise?
I was with this movie until the last 1/4, then it just falls apart.
I'm okay with fooling the audience as to who the protaganist is, but they didnt even give you the f*cking close up to show he was dead.
I could clearly tell that it was him in the theatre. I had no doubt.
When I was watching this the credits rolled and I yelled 'what the f1ck???" and my wife thought something was wrong. I then had to go back and re-watch the dvd (i was watching an academy screener) and go slo-mo to figure out Llewelyn had died. Then the double fake ending that went no where?
I'm really unsure as to why you couldn't figure out he was dead? Wasn't the body and his wife's reaction enough!?
To me, bitter anticlamatic endings do not make for a masterpiece. As a writer, it's far easier to just unravel the threads and then f*ck the audience by not tying anything than it is to artfully bring it all together (such as in the Godfather).
I didn't feel poo pooed at all. I feel screwed every time I watch a movie and I can tell what's going to happen before the mid-point. Goodbye cookie cutter movies! That's when I feel f*cked!
I was with this movie until the last 1/4, then it just falls apart.
I'm okay with fooling the audience as to who the protaganist is, but they didnt even give you the f*cking close up to show he was dead. When I was watching this the credits rolled and I yelled 'what the f1ck???" and my wife thought something was wrong. I then had to go back and re-watch the dvd (i was watching an academy screener) and go slo-mo to figure out Llewelyn had died. Then the double fake ending that went no where?
To me, bitter anticlamatic endings do not make for a masterpiece. As a writer, it's far easier to just unravel the threads and then f*ck the audience by not tying anything than it is to artfully bring it all together (such as in the Godfather).
This is what made it great for me. It did away with the cookie cutter mold and went in an entirely different direction. :thumbup:***Spoilers***
TLJ's character was not developed enough for me to care about his realization at the end. Brolin's character was the focus of 2/3rd's of the film and is the character I was interested in. To have his character die 2/3rd's into the film and than shift focus to TLJ left me feeling cheated.
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Having watched this film for the first time last night and having just read through the thread I have to say that I am in agreement with those that felt dis-satisfied by the ending of the film.
TLJ's character was not developed enough for me to care about his realization at the end. Brolin's character was the focus of 2/3rd's of the film and is the character I was interested in. To have his character die 2/3rd's into the film and than shift focus to TLJ left me feeling cheated.
I get the deep meaning in the film but there is having a great concept and than there is executing that concept in a gripping story. Here they had that 2/3rd's of the way through and then completely lost it. The last 1/3rd was bad. Actually they were some great scenes but they were not fully connected to what came before them.
This is a good film but the ending stopped it from being great for me.