NLE Ratings for editing MXF

Neil Rowe said:
Barry, now how are you going to go and answer all the PPro questions? what the heck am i supposed to do now? :)
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You're more than welcome to, in fact encouraged to! I don't do much editing at all anymore, so I'll likely never catch up to your experience level!
 
danny damah said:
that argument is off topic, and I was not arguing with you, I was mainly pointing out that vegas is becoming a swiss army knife for audiovisual media.
but if you need to know
like I said professional audiovisual suites, which means hardware software integrated suites. ProtooLs formely soundtools have been around for close to 25 yrs. Cooledit pro was introduced as an Audio editor/ nitch tool mainly for DJs and Radio stations, it really is still that way, Audition is mainly used by reporters and radio stations, its strength is the broadcast wave format. even music studios dont record on Audition, it is windows only and does not integrate with outbaord analog hardware very well, compared to , protools, logic, sonar, cubase etc.

I like audition it complements the Adobe suite very, infact along with digital performer on the apple side I use Audition for most of my windows audio clean up and mixing.
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Pro Tools was a very very weak solution in 97 compared to CEP or even Cake Walk. No one but you will argue with that. In the beinging Pro Fools could only work with Digedisgn hardware. Later it could work with other hardware but only one at a time. You could not use multiple sound cards with it. Back in 97 with a mere 166 MHZ Pentium I could infact use 3 sound cards all at once with CEP. I could indeed record track 1 with a Sound Blaster sound card, track 2 with a Media-C sound card and track 3 with a Yamaha sound card. CEP was very advanced in 97. It still is today. In 98 I bought at Layla instead of using 3 sound cards and it worked great. Today I just use two sound cards to record 4 track at once (left right channels) because that is all I need. I sold my Layla about 4 years ago. CEP/Audition is indeed a very good program. It was and I imagine still is much more advance that Pro Fools.

What can Pro Tools do that Audition can not or would you prefer to agree that as of now they both work great?


In my opinion CakeWalk, Audition and Pro Tools all work about the same (the GUI is different). The same is true for FCP, PP CS3 and even Vegas Pro 8. It is all personal choice.
 
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Ok, I have been reading this thread for some time now..i think i have a related question for all those who edit on PP CS3 and do sound editing in audition.
what is your work flow..since Audition does not support OMF then how do you actually go about it...
when I use this combination and do a 'edit in Adobe Audition' for my audion files in PP3, the audio and video gets unlinked and then after that If i want to make even a 1 frame change to my video my audio never gets in sync...

please enlighten me with your workflows.
 
So what is the workflow that people suggest...if I have PP3 and Audition is there a reason that I should go for Pro tools to get some functionality that I cannot get here...is PP3 and Audition not professional?
 
Please I don't mean to confuse anyone or change the topic.
First off Medea magic you cant compare a $400 dollar sound card to a System running on almost $10,000 and up worth of hardware and high grade converters, with Aes-ebu transport controls, human control interface etc etc, thats what protools was in 97, yamahas comparable hardware the dm6000 was $18,000 at the time. So I am not sure what exactly you are arguing.

Cool edit Pro after version 1.0 had one great niche/thing about it, its rich edit interface and time stretching tools made it a must have for beat makers and radio stations for chopping samples up for Akai MPC, Ensoniq asx and asr, etc. It was a great tool for quantising before exporting. I had every version of that software for use with my MPC. At that time that was all it could do really well, before version 2.0 when multi tracking was introduced with a little midi. Every body just used it to chop, then send the loops to acid the loop king for sequencing. Protools with its hardware integration was the king of the block, cubase, cakewalk, emagic etc had application interfaces like science experiments and were notorious for crashing and freezing.

ram was scarce so midi recording was the s^^t, cool edit had none of those capabilities and further more soundforge was a better editing application pc side. Adobe actually saved Syntrillium, for with the birth of Propellerheads recycle , cool edit was laid to rest.
Now the single window interface of cool edit, has been adopted by soundtrack pro, logic, sonar, and cubase.

Please lets end this argument it does not serve any of us which app was better 1997?, who cares? I learn a lot from you from your questions and suggstions, so if my post started some beef I appologize, now lets go make some movies.

2. Vrbhu that is the weakness of the Adobe suite. Its clear as we all know adobe is working on its dynamic link to better integrate its products and better implement GPU acceleration, so far they have done a fabulous job.
Currently with the adobe suite I make sure most of my edit is locked export a compressed avi or quicktime movie, export the audio from my timeline import into audition, DP, or protools, add the effects, mix, EQ and master then export the mix down back to PPro. this is the crucial part as the Audio an Video time codes have to be dead sync. the bit rate has to be the same as the previously exported audio. this is the most tedious part of editing, I am sure the are faster ways this could be done as in final cut studio (which has a lot more limitations but intgates applications pretty well.


vegas makes more sense.
 
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MIDI files are much less RAM and CPU intensive than WAV files.

Cool Edit Pro 1.0 was more than a multitrack solution. It was multi track and multi hardware capable. It was not tied to any hardware. Some times you end up paying more for the hardware when it is tied to software. Cool Edit Pro could work with my Layla, Yamaha and a Sound Balster sound card all at once. I would rather have options. Why would you state that CEP worked with a $400.00 sound card? It worked with $50.00 sound cards and $1800.00 sound cards because it was hardware independant.
 
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Question for Barry or someone who has knowledge of working with MXF in Premiere CS3: I'm going to be editing a project with multiple format types ie.. DV 480i (from Canon XL1s), DVCProHD - 720 24pn, 30p, 60p, maybe 12p... & 1080 24pa.... Ok, the question is what preset do I set the project in? what would yield the best results? do i set it up for 1080 24pa? 720p? .... My final output will be to SD DVD (Encore).... and in the future an HD release (Bluray) Thanks
 
medeamajic said:
To me DVD authoring is part of the editing process.
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But it's not. Editing is timeline-based; DVD authoring is flowchart- and tree-based. It's not the same process.

As you point out, it IS preference, but I think, objectively speaking, authoring a DVD on an editing timeline is more troublesome and inefficient than doing it in a dedicated DVD app.
 
NorthernFilmMaker said:
Question for Barry or someone who has knowledge of working with MXF in Premiere CS3: I'm going to be editing a project with multiple format types ie.. DV 480i (from Canon XL1s), DVCProHD - 720 24pn, 30p, 60p, maybe 12p... & 1080 24pa.... Ok, the question is what preset do I set the project in? what would yield the best results? do i set it up for 1080 24pa? 720p? .... My final output will be to SD DVD (Encore).... and in the future an HD release (Bluray) Thanks
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If you want it to be HD, then you'll be best off editing in an HD project. Whether it's 720 or 1080 depends on your output preference.

What do you plan your output frame rate to be? That'll determine your project frame rate.
 
David Jimerson said:
But it's not. Editing is timeline-based; DVD authoring is flowchart- and tree-based. It's not the same process.

As you point out, it IS preference, but I think, objectively speaking, authoring a DVD on an editing timeline is more troublesome and inefficient than doing it in a dedicated DVD app.
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DVD authoring is part of the video editing process to produce a DVD. I already stated it was a different procedure from video editing but non the less part of the process. Like I said some hobbiest just use the DVD authoring prgram to edit the whole movie. It's all good.

I think we can all agree CS3 goes way beyond video production and offers a full mulitmedia solution. Some may want it others may not but as of now only Adobe offers it. .
 
The Master Collection does, but for $2500, it ought to tie your shoes for you and nudge you gently awake when you oversleep. The Production Premium version doesn't.
 
David Jimerson said:
The Master Collection does, but for $2500, it ought to tie your shoes for you and nudge you gently awake when you oversleep. The Production Premium version doesn't.
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The Master Collection is what I want. After NAB I think I will get it. I want DreamWeaver, Indesign, AE, Photoshop, Encore and Premiere so for the price it is real fair. Adobe will give you an upgrade price if you already own Adobe Products (Avid and Vegas cross grades). I think I can get the Master Colection for about $1500.00. Not bad at all but then again it is not for everyone. I like Edius but the CS3 will make my life easier. If you just want to edit Video I say get Edius 4.6 for the RT.
 
Barry_Green said:
Without the suite? Hmmm... my vote would probably go to EDIUS at that point.
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Are you asking me? With out the integration of the CS3 suite I think I would tip my hat to Edius. Edius is real fast but the GUI of the CS3 suite and integration make it a much better solution for myself. The GUI of Edius could use a revamp. All the dockable options with AE, Premiere and even Audition is much better and much more customizable. While Edius is very fast becuause of the realtime engine the GUI is not as effecient as the CS3 suite. There are pros and cons to all softwarre solutions. I wish Premiere Pro had the realtime horse power of Edius but then again I wish Edius had a better GUI.
 
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