Record uncompressed 14-bit (4:4:4) on your HVX200

But you have no idea what the terms of the deal might be. Just because it doesn't make sense to you, doesn't mean that it doesn't make sense overall. You don't have all the facts, neither do I, none of us do.

Juan has always been a very straight shooter. Whatever's going on is likely being handled intelligently on their parts, whether those of us in the dark understand it or not.

Again, I've asked him for clarification. Further speculation is groundless, baseless, and pointless.
 
He might be under a quiet period restraint on this and that would certainly explain a lot. Unfortunately, even the biggest companies handle mergers and, subsequently, customer support very poorly.

I recently tried to contact RotoZip regarding a needed repair for one of their early models. It had less than three hours on it, despite the fact that it is four years old. Their site is up and running, so I emailed customer service using their support form.

A day or so later, I received an email that RotoZip had been sold in 2003 (about a month after I bought the tool at Home Depot) and that there was no support for the early models.

Now, Bosch (who makes really good jig saws among other items) wholly owns RotoZip and markets it as if it is a separate brand. Coincidentally, and in what is seemingly a gross conflict of interest, they also own Dremel -- RotoZip's only competitor in the market.

If I were Bosch, I'd stand by the early product. They did offer to sell me a new Roto-Dremel-Bosch-Zip for $60. Nice.

Anyway, the point is, there is no gold watch retirement party for lifetime employees anymore. That's because the company won't likely be there when the employee reaches retirement age. Same goes for customers who need service for their products.

It's the new and unfortunate truth that goes hand-in-hand with the ever-merging, expanding and metamorphasizing ways of New World commerce. If Panasonic, or a competing interest, puchased Reel Stream's tech, they'd be just as likely to shut it down and file it away as they would be to research, improve and integrate it into their new products.

What is really unfortunate is that the people who will most likely lose out, no matter what the scenario, will be the existing users who will be left high and dry in either case.

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If Panasonic, or a competing interest, purchased Reel Stream's tech, they'd be just as likely to shut it down and file it away as they would be to research, improve and integrate it into their new products.
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Now why would they do that? To protect their older-tech\more expensive line of high-end cameras? And actually prevent customers from having a higher quality on a lower price?

If they don't integrate it in the new cams and just bury it, that sucks...

I hope RED kills them all :Drogar-SunGlass(DBG.
 
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Now why would they do that? To protect their older-tech\more expensive line of high-end cameras? And actually prevent customers from having a higher quality on a lower price?
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Yeah, because that's how all these companies operate. They bury anything better so they never have to compete with their high-end Betacam DVW400 products. I mean, once they hit the pinnacle of the SDX900, they just quit developing new technology and have tried to squash anything else, limiting us to only getting high-def $3,000 cameras because...

... because ...

... um, maybe that whole "protecting the high end" line is a load of crap perhaps?


I hope RED kills them all :Drogar-SunGlass(DBG.
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RED doesn't even make a video camera. They make a film-replacement camera. They're not even in the same market as Sony and Panasonic, although Sony (with their F23) and Panasonic (with their HPX3000) are trying to compete in the same general arena with Red for the digi-cine film-replacement (as well as being video cameras.)
 
Well, there could be a variety of reasons.

First, and most obviously, the tech doesn't seem to favor portability - certainly not to the standard enjoyed by film and traditional videotape technologies. That one key factor makes the system one that the vast DVX100 marketplace has largely shunned (despite the impressive technical specification) since it became avaialable.

If they can't resolve that detail [portability], it would certainly be a deal killer. At that point, it is simply written off to R&D expenses. It could be that part of the underlying technology could be integrated, but the cost/benefit would have to be weighed against marketplace, competition, time to market and so forth.

Try not to think of it as technology that companies want killed or buried. That's not it. However, if the price is right, and the technology proprietary, it makes sense for competing interests to try to lock it up. They might well just want the underlying patents - if they even exist yet.

One only has to attend TED for a year or two to see how colleges are cashing in by developing tech in their labs and licensing or selling their innovations outright to the highest bidder. Pretty much useless on their own, the applications are quickly bastardized into real products that only include the underlying technology as a feature or in a peripheral way. Anybody remember that Pixar (and ILM's RenderMan) had its roots in NYIT?

TED has become like AFM for bleeding edge technologies. Anyone with $$$$$$$$$$$$ can be an innovator. Just ask Microsoft and Apple about their new touchscreen technologies and you'll see what I'm talking about.

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The HYDRA scared somebody, its either panny, sony, or even red itself since it is uncompressed, 4:4:4, and almost the same dynamic range as the high end f23, the varicam, the RED and even the Viper.

i'm sure someone found HYDRA a threat
 
If it turnes out that one big company bought Juan out and let the whole idea die to protect the big $$ segment, I wonder how long it will take till some brave Andomeda rebell starts fighting the dark empire and let the sofware plus a DIY Tutorial how to modify the camera (at least a DVX) break out in the wilderness of the WWW. Then all the smart guys can do research and backwardengineering the Andromeda.

..in my dreams? Yeah maybe, but things like that happen every day.
There is a whole comunity and lot´s a websites yust how to hack and modify the AVM FritzBox (DSL Modem). They provide free software, firmware, tipps how to modify the board and more, same happens to the XDA Mobile Phone/Handheld and other gizmos.

I´m really disapointed. I saved money for quite a while to get my HVX - always looking foreward to that Hydra option . Well I got the cam last week and now that. :crybaby:

yust my 2 ct
 
Is the technology a patent? As in, Juan's company is the only one that could do it? Or they were the only ones that had the guts to do it?
 
This whole thing reminds me of a haunting documentary I once saw titled: "Who killed the electric car?"
 
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The Red Cam fully equipped= $33,000

Sony Cinealta $79,000

Panasonic Varicam $45,000

HYDRA on HVX200: between 7000 and 10,000 depending on if HVX is used or not.


HYDRA Capability over the others :
1. 2K resolution- none of the above have this (except red)
2 4:4:4 sampling-again none of the above have this (except red)
3. 10-13 stops- none of the above have this either (this is arguable)

it might have inspired or conspired someone.
 
killfilm said:
The Red Cam fully equipped= $33,000

Sony Cinealta $79,000

Panasonic Varicam $45,000

HYDRA on HVX200: between 7000 and 10,000 depending on if HVX is used or not.


HYDRA Capability over the others :
1. 2K resolution- none of the above have this (except red)
2 4:4:4 sampling-again none of the above have this (except red)
3. 10-13 stops- none of the above have this either (this is arguable)

it might have inspired or conspired someone.
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Exactly. Even if it wasn't a solution that was as portable as CF cards, it was still 10k for something that was probably going to be truly phenomenal. =\ I am still shedding tears.

We didn't even get to see stills or footage or anything. Not one single thing.

Can someone answer my question? Is Hydra and Andromeda technology patented or is it possible that someone could do the same thing and be outside of patent laws? If all they were doing was selling their R n D and doing installs, and also offering their own brand of software to accompany it, then is it possible that someone else with the same prowess could figure the system out and do the same thing on the HVX?
 
SR, my bad, it is 4:4::4 but thats about it.

clearly, the HYDRA is a threat to someone out there since it would be the only 2K camera under 10,000.
 
Red doesn't do 4:4:4 at 4K res either. You have to drop to 2K before you can get 4:4:4 out of it.

Hydra wouldn't have been 4:4:4 at 2K. We don't know the exact color sampling ratio, but it would have been less than 4:4:4. Probably somewhere between 4:2:2 and 4:2:0.

Hydra promised 4:4:4 at standard-def, and we don't know the exact color sampling at HD or 2K res. It offered uncompressed 2K at variable frame rates, and uncompressed 1080P at variable frame rates up to 60fps.
 
Hydra promised 4:4:4 at standard-def, and we don't know the exact color sampling at HD or 2K res. It offered uncompressed 2K at variable frame rates, and uncompressed 1080P at variable frame rates up to 60fps.
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Juan did announce 4:4:4 at 2k earlier on. Even uncompressed 2k and 1080p are enough to give some big boys a run for their money, and oh ya, their cameras too.

which other camera offers 2k at under $10,000 uncompressed with an estimated 10-13 stops photographic latitude?
 
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