Agree with you on many of your points but the above was one that I KNEW YOU would agree with me on.
Will EX-1 be leaps and bounds better than HVX?
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Agree with you on many of your points but the above was one that I KNEW YOU would agree with me on.
Elton
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Yeah, I think the interface is one the most impressive features. It's just nice looking and easy to scroll through.
Elton
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I've recorded the raw SDI on similar shots (sky at dusk, etc) to both 10 and 8 bit codecs and have had a hard time seeing a difference. My non-scientific sneaking suspicion is that it's probably truncated.
Christopher Barry
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Thanks Elton. To further analyse the sky footage, perhaps try an adaptation of this CineForm test (enlarged image), and see if the banding issue becomes more pronounced?
Edit: This may not be the right test.
Am I the only one that think this screenshots look... well... I don't know how to say it, please nobody feel offended... they look cheap!... I tried to do improve them in photoshop, but there is sooo much color noise... I like the dynamic range it shows on the baby picture, but the overall image reminds me of my very cheap still-photo HP camera... I was hoping to buy my PMW-EX1 very soon, but now this worries me... can somebody please tell me that the noise is only from the JPG compression?, maybe you used a lot of gain???... can you imagine to make a chroma key with as much noise as the image dog against blue???... (and it is definitely not a 4:2:0 issue)... why do they look as if they have the texture of a dithered .gif image???Here are a few grabs from today. Had very little time to play with the camera but tested low light (phenomenal) and some chroma key shots.
Everything was shot out-of-the-box "broadcast flat". No gamma adjustments at all. Plenty to play with in CC however.
A few grabs:
I am truly shocked... was I expecting too much?... I'm dying here!... please help!!!...
(okay, granted it is a little bit exagerated, but it really worries me to think that this is the quality to expect)
When will we finally see some moving footage???
Lenilenapi
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Hey here's a few more questions:.
Can you switch between two different zebra levels like you can on the Panasonics.?That's a great feature.
Also will the viewfinder read out footage markings like they do on a Panasonic?
Can you switch between two different zebra levels like you can on the Panasonics.?That's a great feature.
Also will the viewfinder read out footage markings like they do on a Panasonic?
Elton
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Pepeds,
No, you're not imagining things.
I was expecting better from the SDI output. What I'm finding so far is that there's something going on in the image processing that's sort of "smudging" fine detail. It's reminiscent of the V1's "oil paint" effect, but much more subtle.
I wasn't actually operating the camera during these shots. My guess is that AGC might've been engaged accidentally and there might be some auto noise reduction processing going on.
Honestly, Canon's SDI output is much better, but I'm not sure if something on the EX1 was engaged that shouldn't have been.
I'll do more testing soon, but as of right now it's bordering on unacceptable to me.
No, you're not imagining things.
I was expecting better from the SDI output. What I'm finding so far is that there's something going on in the image processing that's sort of "smudging" fine detail. It's reminiscent of the V1's "oil paint" effect, but much more subtle.
I wasn't actually operating the camera during these shots. My guess is that AGC might've been engaged accidentally and there might be some auto noise reduction processing going on.
Honestly, Canon's SDI output is much better, but I'm not sure if something on the EX1 was engaged that shouldn't have been.
I'll do more testing soon, but as of right now it's bordering on unacceptable to me.
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Stevet
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Elton, I do see what your saying. Maybe you and Chris can get together and devote more time on checking the SDI. Chris did mention in his DOF thread that he was playing around with some settings.
I guess the best way would be to capture both to XDCAM 35mb and from SDI. Bring them is and compare frame-by-frame.
Once thing I do like about from some of the stuff I'm seeing is it doesn't seem to have that gritty look that I see a lot with video from cheaper cams.
Actually, I noticed Chris's last shot http://www.thevideodepartment.net/EX1/16005806.tif (which should of been XDCAM codec - since he does not own SDI capture equipment) looks a bit softer than the previous stuff he posted. Hmmm.. I wonder if some important settings have changed.
He mentioned he was 8' from the talent who was about 8' from the back wall.
I guess the best way would be to capture both to XDCAM 35mb and from SDI. Bring them is and compare frame-by-frame.
Once thing I do like about from some of the stuff I'm seeing is it doesn't seem to have that gritty look that I see a lot with video from cheaper cams.
Actually, I noticed Chris's last shot http://www.thevideodepartment.net/EX1/16005806.tif (which should of been XDCAM codec - since he does not own SDI capture equipment) looks a bit softer than the previous stuff he posted. Hmmm.. I wonder if some important settings have changed.
He mentioned he was 8' from the talent who was about 8' from the back wall.
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Just want to add my 2c. None of these grabs are looking anywhere near as clean and crisp as the stuff I was viewing via the SDI out to monitor.
Stevet
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I was wondering the same thing. Nigel's reviewed said he first hooked it up SDI out to HDLINK into a 46” Sony Bravia native 1920x1080 HD television. He said the image quality produced this way was just superb.
Tonight over at dvinfo, Chris mentioned he was going to do a factory reset before doing more testing.
Tonight over at dvinfo, Chris mentioned he was going to do a factory reset before doing more testing.
Stevet
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Thanks Elton. I guess that explains what we are seeing. When I first saw these frame grabs, I mentioned they had a lot of image detail, but they did not have that electronic signature. Which is a good thing.
When I get the camera next week (fingers crossed), I'll have to do some experimenting. I also plan on buying HDLINK.
When I get the camera next week (fingers crossed), I'll have to do some experimenting. I also plan on buying HDLINK.
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Stevet
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Actually, I'm more worried about the vignetting on some cameras. I sure hope this is not a problem on all EX1 cams!
If so, I find it hard to believe it was missed in all their design, qual , and field tests!
http://www.sonyhdvinfo.com/showthread.php?t=11627&page=2
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=108433
I'm going to be pissed if I have to return this cam for this issue, not to mention my other cam operators.
I'm praying it will not have this issue, but I've only seen results of three cams and I believe two have the issue... not good!
Not to mention Walt saw it on his pre-production model. That tells me they probably knew about it and released them anyways.
Well, they're in for a big surprise when they get them ALL back!
If so, I find it hard to believe it was missed in all their design, qual , and field tests!
http://www.sonyhdvinfo.com/showthread.php?t=11627&page=2
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=108433
I'm going to be pissed if I have to return this cam for this issue, not to mention my other cam operators.
I'm praying it will not have this issue, but I've only seen results of three cams and I believe two have the issue... not good!
Not to mention Walt saw it on his pre-production model. That tells me they probably knew about it and released them anyways.
Well, they're in for a big surprise when they get them ALL back!
Elton
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I think there's some fairly aggressive on-chip NR circuitry in the EX1. I'm sure it's part of the sensitivity gain, but it may be messing with fine detail. Hope to meet up with Chris again this week and really do some tweaking with the settings.
We shot a little bit of stuff at an outdoor mall last night. Christmas lights everywhere, but still fairly lowlight.
Really amazing to shoot full overcrank 720 60 at 0 dB and still have decent exposure in the available light. Also, lack of CCD smear on bright pinpoint lights was amazing.
Lastly, I ran around with the camera and gave it some good bumps while recording 60p. In extreme jolts I could see a little rolling shutter wobble, but it was mild.
Steven--I saw no vignetting anywhere with Chris' camera.
We shot a little bit of stuff at an outdoor mall last night. Christmas lights everywhere, but still fairly lowlight.
Really amazing to shoot full overcrank 720 60 at 0 dB and still have decent exposure in the available light. Also, lack of CCD smear on bright pinpoint lights was amazing.
Lastly, I ran around with the camera and gave it some good bumps while recording 60p. In extreme jolts I could see a little rolling shutter wobble, but it was mild.
Steven--I saw no vignetting anywhere with Chris' camera.
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Stevet
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Thanks Elton,
Actually looking at the "Detail" section in the manual, it has a parameter called "Crispening" which may be just what your looking for.
I'm glad to hear Chris's cam does not have a vignetting problem!
Wow, tha image is a surprise!
Thanks for the tests.
Please post more grabs!
I'd like to see a nice looking DOF shot of a person/s shot at about 8' away, but framed wide enough to show as much image as possible and still offer a tighter DOF.
Actually looking at the "Detail" section in the manual, it has a parameter called "Crispening" which may be just what your looking for.
I'm glad to hear Chris's cam does not have a vignetting problem!
Wow, tha image is a surprise!
Thanks for the tests.
Please post more grabs!
I'd like to see a nice looking DOF shot of a person/s shot at about 8' away, but framed wide enough to show as much image as possible and still offer a tighter DOF.
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