Opinions from my shoot using the Brevis35-MC, Redrock M2 and SGpro Rev. 3

marco0782

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I recently had a chance to use all three of these adapters on my short film shoot and felt it might be helpful to others if I described what my experience was like with each.


Brevis35-MC:

Positive:

- It loses the least amount of light (.5 stops loss with 50mm f/1.4 attached). I can't stress enough how practical this adapter is when shooting in available light. I have been on many shoots where the Brevis would have been the only practical choice.

- VERY, very, very sharp! (Note that I was using the Cinevate 22mm spacer ring)

- Flawless edge to edge sharpness and brightness, even when shooting VistaVision frame size

- Rechargeable battery is very convenient

Negative:

- You can't stop down below f/5.6 or grain will begin to appear. This is a big problem when on the fly you decide you want deep focus. Sorry, you have to take off your Brevis if you want that, and the widest you can get on an HVX is 35mm and that has a bit of barrel distortion.

- Like the Letus35 Extreme, bokeh on vibrating adapters isn't very filmlike (instead of defined circles you get blurry gradient circles). It is beautiful but on its own terms.

- The adapter doesn't mount in what I would call a 100% safe manner. It attaches with 4 allen bolts creating pressure over the achromat or spacer ring. Even when the Brevis is supported with a Brevis-to-rails mount, it can be accidentally rotated or misaligned if you use too much force attaching or removing a lens.


- The nature of the light-weight Brevis construction means that you feel a little apprehensive when attaching large and heavy lenses, even though the adapter is strong enough. If you grab a long lens from the front and move it up and down, it will flex more on the Brevis than the other two adapters. This can be an issue if when you rotate your follow focus wheel it causes the lens to bob up slightly. On a long lens this produces unwanted image vibrations. The solution would be to mount the lens to the rods so that it's vertically locked in place.

Neutral:

- Less shallow at wide open than the other adapters. On the one hand this can be a problem if you want extremely shallow depth of field, but on the other it's actually VERY easy to pull focus at wide open. So you can be shooting in very low light and not have to endure extremely difficult focus pulls.


Redrock M2

Positive:

- Able to stop down to f/16 or even lower without grain showing up. As a cinematographer you absolutely need the option to stop down as far as you want. Taking the adapter off is not a good option.

- Good build quality but not as great as the SGpro

- Very pleasing bokeh and shallow depth of field


Negative:

- Noticeably larger light loss than the Brevis

- Ground glass kept getting loose on my unit and was prone to wobbling even when it was just tightened. I had to reshoot a slow-motion shot with a different adapter where the image wobble was so noticeable it was distracting. Looking at the way the ground glass is secured, I get the feeling that wobble is likely to happen to most of these adapters.

- Least sharp of the three. I attribute this to the ground glass wobbling because it means that the ground glass to lens distance varies slightly thereby affecting your backfocus.

- Noticeable vignetting unless you zoom in more. This makes VistaVision framing more difficult.

- Battery replacement requires opening the adapter and exposing your ground glass to potential harm

- Apart from the fancy labels on the outside, the simplistic design and construction feels like a do-it-yourself adapter. This adapter really needs an update.


SGpro Rev. 3

Positive:

- Able to stop down to f/16 or even lower without grain showing up. I tested it out at f/32 and it worked beautifully.

- Amazing build quality. The adapter is easily the strongest of the three and inspires confidence when mounting heavy lenses. In addition it is the most professional looking of the three. It has the most professional looking dust shields, the tolerances are extremely small, it has the best looking finish, etc. This adapter is on par with the P+S Technik in terms of presentation.

- My favorite bokeh of the three adapters

- VERY sharp. I don't know if it's as sharp as the Brevis, but it comes pretty darn close. The long spacer tube is essential and reflects a lot of research in how to obtain maximum sharpness.

- VistaVision framing is possible with perfect edge to edge sharpness and brightness

- Absolutely silent and vibration-free. If not for the red light I wouldn't know if it was on or not.


Negative:

- More light loss than the Brevis, comparable to the M2

- The external battery pod feels cheap compared to the rest of the unit
 
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Cool. Nice to see the strengths of each.

I found lately the SG/M2 and Brevis to about the same sharpness the latest refinements of each really pull them alot closer to eachother. The real differences are in the useability, durability, and flexibilty in the image. I still find the Sg to be the most flexible, in terms of shutterspeeds, Fstop range, and ZERO vingette. But its good to hear the others are very close.
 
Of them three, I have tried the M2 and the SGpro. The SGpro is really the best of those two, I don't think anyone will doubt that here, but it does vibrate a little bit, but hardly noticeable. For me it's comparable to the p+s pro35 which I have used over a hundred times by now. The Pro35 is better, no doubting about that, the Pro35 is like 105% of value, while the SGpro is a simple 100%... :) In my humble opinion.
 
So whats the word on vignetting?

Timur, what's the widest lens you could use? My only gripe with the brevis so far is the inability to use wider lenses. We had a 24 on our last shoot that we just couldn't use because of the large amount of vignetting. I'd love to know if there's an adapter out there that's just as sharp as the brevis, but has the ability to use wider lenses.

Also, is the SGpro a flip model, or no?
 
Great post!

I aggree with everything you said (although I never used the Brevis)...just the M2 and SGpro...and the SGpro wins hands down....
 
The SGpro seems to be able to handle all types of lenses without vignetting. I used a 14mm, a zoom lens, and a 300mm.
 
I just received my Sgpro [early Nov.], and after all the researching I had done, I was half expecting some noise and vibration from the spinning GG. When I flipped the toggle to turn the motor on, I thought it broken cause I experienced nothing. I was mad cause I had waited so long for the adapter to arrive to find it broken... till I literally put my ear on the spinners housing to find everything is working perfectly.

Im big on mics/audio too, so I can safely say there is absolutely no interfence from this adapter, and with a long lens examined on a resolution chart, I see no vibration with the motor switched "on or/vs. off". And I love the cheap battery case that velcros so nicely out of sight.

Im extremely happy with my purchase and my picture, and I think Wayne is still secretly improving this thing, speculating if it has had any bad raps prior to today, and I'm impressed with the intelligence and the build quality of this fine instrument.
 
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i have a 16mm Fisheye thats flawless. And my 24mm is PERFECT edge to edge. BUT that may not neccesarily be an adapter thing. Some lenses just naturally Vingette. Though i find my SG is not so succeptible to it.
 
Hmm...I hadn't though about it being a lens thing. Next time I rent out a brevis I'll have to try my nikons on there, as we were using some Arri primes that I really didn't know much about. Other than, of course, how they looked on the brevis.

Thanks for the info, I really want to try out an SGpro now.
 
Hmmm... Arri Primes [I wish]

I love my SG, glad to hear its appreciated all round. I agree on the battery pack thing, its the only bad side for me and its not a deal breaker.

Great !

Richard
 
Marco, great post. I'm interested in seeing the SGPro in action. I own a Brevis with Nikon and PL mounts and have been happy with it overall. I'm curious which Cinefuse (Cinevate's term for the GG) you had installed in your test unit? Different GG will have a dramatic effect on vignetting and visible grain.

-David
 
funny i consider the battery pack a benefit. i go to radio shack and bought 2 or three of them and keep em on standby. no recharging to worry about and it runs off standrd AA batts. you should always have batts anyway for flashlights and what not.
 
I agree Timur. In that sense the battery pack design can be a benefit.

With my Brevis I use Cinefuse 1 not Cinefuse 1L because I primarily use lenses on the wider end of the spectrum. I have tried Cinefuse 2 and was disappointed by the vignetting at every focal length and Cinefuse 3 was equally disappointing as it showed visible grain on all of my lenses slower than f/1.4.

If you want the Brevis to be more shallow you might as well get a different adapter. The Brevis has its strength in the Cinefuse 1 variations because it is so sharp, easy to pull focus and so bright.


Marco
 
Nice post, Marco. If you haven't noticed, the new Cinefuses are up on the Cinevate shop -- the CF1Le, etc. I haven't gotten mine yet, but Dennis swears it'll help with vignetting. Right now I use the regular CF1 because I like using wider lenses. If I slap on my 105 or 80-200, I have to switch to the CF1L. But even with that, I love my Brevis. I had an M2, but I like being able to go handheld with a small lens and I couldn't afford to keep both adapters.
 
funny i consider the battery pack a benefit.

Timur, I agree the seperate pack and easy access is a benefit, its more that on mine the battery unit had nothing to attach to and if I'm panning tilting etc... it would fly off.

In the end I bought some velcro sticky fixers to attach the battery pack to the body of the SGPro, but it doesn't look that good and can wear off after a while.

What did you do to counter that? I'm keen to hear a good solution!

thanks

Richard
 
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