Barry_Green
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And with Fuji signing on to make P2 cards now... sounds like any blather about "drying up" or "falling behind" will just be that -- blather. 
Will EX-1 be leaps and bounds better than HVX?
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puredrifting
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Barry:
Where did this bombshell come from? Do you have a link to a press release or website that elaborates on this?
Dan
Where did this bombshell come from? Do you have a link to a press release or website that elaborates on this?
Dan
Stevet
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Man, that sounds all to familiar.
Barry_Green
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Found a press release on the Panasonic Japanese website. Posted the link in HVX News. Every once in a while I go rooting around on those sites, they have all the good press releases and they post 'em a day earlier because of the time zone issues...
Meaning what?
Barry_Green
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Every new system struggles with NLE acceptance when first introduced. FCP and Avid didn't support HDV for about six or seven months, and HD100 owners have been waiting about 2.5 YEARS for Avid to support 24P HDV. The HVX had FCP and Avid support from day one; I expect the EX1 will have FCP and Vegas support on day one. But it may take time for the other editors to come around, it always does.
So from the footage I have seen so far, theres only one thing I could say.. looks at the very least like the lens is much better.
Stevet
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I'm hearing there is some skew from the rolling shutter when fast panning the camera side to side, not like the H20, but some. The same guy said he shot moving cars and said there was no issue. I have no plans on rapidly panning my camera. Even If I did it for an effect, with all the motion blur, this would not be the issue. I'm concerned about the footage I use 99.9% of the time.
If this is a concern, you guys might want tp hold onto your HVX200.
You can pound on that thing and it will always look the same frame by frame.
Assuming you like what you see. I have seen excellent looking HVX stuff, that's for sure, and I have seen horrible HVX stuff. Though, I believe this goes without saying for just about any camera.
If this is a concern, you guys might want tp hold onto your HVX200.
You can pound on that thing and it will always look the same frame by frame.
Assuming you like what you see. I have seen excellent looking HVX stuff, that's for sure, and I have seen horrible HVX stuff. Though, I believe this goes without saying for just about any camera.
Barry_Green
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Skew when panning is the least of the rolling shutter artifacts. What you should be testing for is wobble during vibration (handheld walking shots, car mounted shots, airplane/helicopter shots, mountain bike shots, etc) or situations where maybe you're tripod-mounted and get hit with a momentary bump (the sunset shot was a classic one for that).
Or the exposure incidents, such as flashing lights, strobelights, flashbulbs, press conferences, red carpet premieres, sports events like boxing matches where the flashbulbs will have an impact on the scene...
Those are the real-world scenarios where a rolling shutter could completely screw you. A little leaning on a fast pan is nothing to even be concerned about.
Or the exposure incidents, such as flashing lights, strobelights, flashbulbs, press conferences, red carpet premieres, sports events like boxing matches where the flashbulbs will have an impact on the scene...
Those are the real-world scenarios where a rolling shutter could completely screw you. A little leaning on a fast pan is nothing to even be concerned about.
Stevet
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LOL...
I knew as soon as I had clicked send that there would be this response.
The thing is, I'm just reporting what someone else found. They did not try all circumstances and just mentioned what they saw.
Well,
As of yet, we don't have our cameras, if they turn out to be sh*t, we won't buy.
I have the feeling Sony did their homework to minimize these artifacts. We'll know REAL soon.
I knew as soon as I had clicked send that there would be this response.
The thing is, I'm just reporting what someone else found. They did not try all circumstances and just mentioned what they saw.
Well,
As of yet, we don't have our cameras, if they turn out to be sh*t, we won't buy.
I have the feeling Sony did their homework to minimize these artifacts. We'll know REAL soon.
Motherboard
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no 1080p 
Ok so I got to play with the EX today at Interbee here in Japan. I really gave the cam a pretty thorough workout much to the shagrin of the Sony guy standing there.
Heres what I saw: (n.b. I recorded a number of clips and then reviewed them on playback on a broadcast monitor - I shot them all at 1/60 24p with varying NDs engaged adjusting the fstop)
1/ The image this camera puts out is beautifully crisp. Not like an oversharpened shot, nothing like that at all. Just prefectly crystal. The image truly is a thing of beauty.
2/ 24p... well ts 24p and looks exactly how it should.
3/ The lens used is great. I could see no discernable CA at all (remembering I had a limited FOV to shoot in that was set up by Sony). The focus adjustment felt smooth and responsive as you would expect I guess.
4/ I went nuts with the pan control - back and forth and all over the place, vibrating it etc. When I played it back on the monitor from MY eye I could not see ANY disconcerting rolling shutter issues.
5/ This is were the Sony guy got a little upset. I set my digital camera to continually shoot with flash on a sign fairly well straight in front of the cam at about 1-2 meters away. All the while I was shooting. And this is where I saw the rolling shutter problem.
My flash was hitting the sign front on and illuminating it fully. When reviewing the footage, the sign was half illuminated, quarter illuminated, then just a small section at the top of the frame.
6/ Personally I loved the menus and how they operated. Small thing but I thought it worked well. Sadly I forgot to see much as far as how adjustable colors etc were.
Have I missed something? Well maybe but ask away.
My conclusion.
This cameras form factor is amazing for what it can do. The image is beautiful - really. I liked the controls and how it was laid out - a bit fidly but its a small cam. Id say this is a GOAL for Sony - BUT, that rolling shutter, I am not convinced d - but I would wait to see more real world shooting and what turns up. Certainly I can say 100% that flashing of any kind is an issue.
Regarding number 5 on your list . In the film world the same thing would happen if the shutter was not synced to the strobe, since you can't sync the flash to this unit adjusting the shutter angle might help this. So someone needs to test varying shutter angles and see what they get.
And if anyone has the time could you test these things.
1)A vignette issue that so far one person has. Point at white wall and slowly going through the zoom range with OIS off.
2) Hand held in car on very bumpy road ( or any heavy vibration environment) . The same test pointed at trees or a series of vertical objects.
3) with an almost full SXS card - eject card while recording and also turning power off while recording with almost full card and see if you lose the footage on the card.
4) Appreciate any comments about editing the footage in FCP
5) Any comments on how the footage handles any color correction would also be appreciated.
Thanks
No sir.
Thanks for the report. Was the partial exposure only evident when you went through the footage frame by frame or could you see it as it was played back in real time?
Ed in real time.
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